Mini 1723: Town of Helen Day 4

[Titus]

Titus, are you voting PB because they're lurking, or because the posts that they have made are scummy? To be clear, I'm doing the latter, and I don't think it's a good idea to do the former (we'd have to lynch half the game if we did that).

Scummily lurking.

Their lurking is why they are scummy. I mentioned a lot about a

specific

deadline that PB gave to be accountable and that's why I gave him more credence than GL who basically is saying I'll obvscum and never scumhunt. Well, I hate liars more. PB has said that the day would be all clear, but where is he? That I have a problem with.

I want specific timelines, specific conditions AND accountability.

[Jingle]

VOTE COUNT 1.4

It was remarkably swift, in hindsight. Hardly a month went by between the disappearance of Kari, and the next such event. Though they had little in common, it seems not a large leap of faith to see the connection. Officer Howard was the late night shift, all by himself, and was not missed until morning. Like the previous body, his was found with two wounds. A small hole at the base of the neck, and what appeared to be a bite mark above the carotid artery. The coroner made the offhand remark that it appeared he was attacked by 'vampire wannabes' and the press ran with the story. It took less than a week for the hysteria to take hold. Soon there was a mass exodus from the town, dropping a small population of 578 down to the double digits. If only the exodus had taken more people from the town, or fewer, perhaps the tragedy would not have been so great.

Aristophanes (3): GuiltyLion, Flubbernugget, SilverWolf,
Titus (2): Vedith, 20x100,
Prolapsed Brain (2): Rob13, Titus,
20x100 (1): Aristophanes
Flubbernugget (1): pistachi0n,
Boonskiies (1): Boonskiies,
SilverWolf (0):
Rob13 (0):
GuiltyLion (0):
Vedith (0):
pistachi0n (0):
Hieirama (0):
A Simple Plan (0):

Not Voting (4): Prolapsed Brain, Hieirama, A Simple Plan,

With 13 alive, it is 7 to Lynch or No Lynch.

Day 1 Ends in: (expired on 2015-10-21 22:00:00)

Prodding Aristophanes.

Going to point out that I used to get in trouble for borderline trust telling with self voting because I would only do it as town. Not the case anymore, but I've done it far more times as town than scum.

No mod action is required in this case.

[Rob14]

No mod action is required in this case.

He attempted to invoke a trust tell. Even if he doesn't do it

only

as town, and just much more often as town than scum, he did a specific action purposefully and then stated he was more likely to be town than not because he does that more often as town than not. He is very clearly trying to skirt the site rules with relation to trust tells, as these past quotes clearly show:

ALSO I CAN NO LONGER BE GIVEN THAT TRUST TELL SPEECH!!! I'VE SELF VOTED AS SCUM!!! MOOO HA HA HA.

Done it like 6 times as town. Done it once as scum. I can say this now without it being a trust tell. ttt

Eh, i flail more as town than scum, so I don't get what you are getting at. Also, I've self-voted as town 7 times, 8 now, and once as scum. I used to get in trouble for it being a basically a trust tell.

OH!!!

@Mod - this isn't a trust tell anymore like it was the last time I did it in the game you modded; I've self-voted once as scum, 9 ish times as town.

What alignment was he in all those games? Town. Who'd have guessed?!?!?

Boon is almost definitely town, even though I hate that I'm saying that. He's done this a single time as scum and then tried to use that one instance to avoid a ban for trust telling. I'm taking this to the list mods.

[Titus]

I think we have to pm the mods and/or list mod privately.

Having reactions to this in thread basically turns the game into scumhunting mod decisions, as to who did what and why regarding this. I signed onto play mafia, not guess the proper mod reaction.

Therefore, anyone who has an issue should tell the mod and possibly the list mods.

That being said, If Rob and Boon are the same alignment the move shows an incredible amount of integrity on Rob's part and I respect it (whether or not I disagree with his viewpoint which I will not say in spirit of the game).

[Vedith]

I'll be catching up in this game later after work.

[SilverWolf]

Talk to me about Ari.

I'll answer this after work. In the meantime, since you are voting PB for lurking, perhaps you'll notice Ari hasn't posted anything for over 2 days and hasn't addressed any of the accusations against him so far.

[SilverWolf]

Shit, I forgot this game was a thing! Time to play ketchup.

This was almost two days ago.

Hi, what is your opinion on the gamestate so far? Done catching up? Reads?

[SilverWolf]

BTW-I don't think Boon is scum and it has nothing to do with this trust tell business. It has to do with me not thinking scum would enter the game the way he did.

[Hieirama]

Quickreply phonepost;

Doesn't prolapsed... Do this quite often? He's not looking very good, but it's nothing that his Meta or RL things can't explain.
I don't expect prolapsed to flip scum.

Also, 20x100, you really need to get your heads straight. Do hyrdas usually scream at themselves?

[Rob14]

Doesn't prolapsed... Do this quite often? He's not looking very good, but it's nothing that his Meta or RL things can't explain.

Do you mean actively lurk in general, the actual full-on lurking he's doing now, or the trying to get towncred for active lurking?

[Rob14]

I think we have to pm the mods and/or list mod privately.

Having reactions to this in thread basically turns the game into scumhunting mod decisions, as to who did what and why regarding this. I signed onto play mafia, not guess the proper mod reaction.

Therefore, anyone who has an issue should tell the mod and possibly the list mods.

That being said, If Rob and Boon are the same alignment the move shows an incredible amount of integrity on Rob's part and I respect it (whether or not I disagree with his viewpoint which I will not say in spirit of the game).

I've PM'd the list mod privately to allow them to look into this situation, but in the meantime, since the mod of this game hasn't taken action, it's pertinent to use the information we have available to us. That information may be game-breaking, but eh, it's not like I can pretend it isn't there. And that info points to Boon being town.

[Rob14]

And it hasn't been lost on me that so far I've put the most effort into trying to get someone modkilled who's probably of the same alignment as me. heh

[Titus]

I think we have to pm the mods and/or list mod privately.

Having reactions to this in thread basically turns the game into scumhunting mod decisions, as to who did what and why regarding this. I signed onto play mafia, not guess the proper mod reaction.

Therefore, anyone who has an issue should tell the mod and possibly the list mods.

That being said, If Rob and Boon are the same alignment the move shows an incredible amount of integrity on Rob's part and I respect it (whether or not I disagree with his viewpoint which I will not say in spirit of the game).

I've PM'd the list mod privately to allow them to look into this situation, but in the meantime, since the mod of this game hasn't taken action, it's pertinent to use the information we have available to us. That information may be game-breaking, but eh, it's not like I can pretend it isn't there. And that info points to Boon being town.

Well I'm not asking you to lynch Boon, I am telling you that I am just not scumhunting mod choices.


@SW, Ari's been absent across everything I believe.

[Rob14]

I'm not scumhunting based on mod choices, though, I'm scumhunting based on the evidence that indicates this is a trust tell.

[Titus]

@Rob, Point of error. Not understanding. I was talking about it would be against the spirit to scumream or townread people based on the mod's decision. Ex: Adam displayed rage that a trust telling townie wasn't modkilled, thus he's scum. That's what I want to avoid.

There is a farfetched theory where Boon is scumfirmed by the mod not killing him though.

[Rob14]

I don't interpret it that way. I interpret it as the mod buying into the "but I did it a single time as scum!" bullshit. Even if he is scum in this game, he should be modkilled for it because he's bringing in outside factors, which is the rule that "trust tells" fall under.

This isn't me scumhunting btw; this is me being really pissed that someone thinks it's ok to pull this bullshit and throw off the balance of 10+ games to date.

[Flubbernugget]

So in other words just ignore boon's vote until he stops being dumb

I can do that

Ari still scum

20x100 may be scum. To much trolling

[Rob14]

I'm taking a break for a while before I start being less civil than I already am. ugh

P-edit: @Flubber: It's foolish to ignore something that we know. That's not using everything in the town's toolbox.

And to clarify my last point: If Boon were scum and used a past trust tell to throw people off his scent, that is still bringing outside influences into the game, which is still against the site rules.

[Titus]

I don't interpret it that way. I interpret it as the mod buying into the "but I did it a single time as scum!" bullshit. Even if he is scum in this game, he should be modkilled for it because he's bringing in outside factors, which is the rule that "trust tells" fall under.

This isn't me scumhunting btw; this is me being really pissed that someone thinks it's ok to pull this bullshit and throw off the balance of 10+ games to date.

I am not talking about reading Boon through that. I am not even talking about the mod decision itself.

If you don't understand after reading again, I will drop this.

[Vedith]

Going to point out that I used to get in trouble for borderline trust telling with self voting because I would only do it as town. Not the case anymore, but I've done it far more times as town than scum.

@Titus - just watch all the flies.

UNVOTE: until the mod next posts. This should be a mod-kill for an attempt at trust-telling, imho.

I hate comments like this. Just get on with them game, trying to provoke a mod kill is just stupid...

[Vedith]

So after all of that... Rob is still town. Boon is town, SW is town.

Aristophanes - I would go with Titus partner so far.
Titus - Yeah I'm not convinced that she isn't scum. Looking for any answer apart from Aris to vote for.

I am happy to vote for either.

[Rob14]

@Vedith: It's not provoking a mod kill to point out something that is

explicitly against site rules

because it breaks the game and ask for mod action. Boon provoked any mod action that occurs as a result of this, not me. I'm just pissed that I have to deal with this bullshit in my first game back. I signed up for a nice normal game of mafia (or as normal as bastard can get, I suppose).

@Titus: I think I understand what you're saying now. Was your concern that people would develop reads based off of the reactions to the mod's decision? If so, that's not a concern of mine; idgaf how people read me and I wouldn't negatively read anyone for having the integrity to not want cheating in their game. If not, I'm completely missing your point, which is whatever.

[Rob14]

Boon is town

Why?

[Rob14]

To much trolling

What do you see as trolling?

[Titus]

@Rob, I think you got it now.

@Vedith, you're tunnelling and doing the same thing SW was now.