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[Cataphant]

I'm worried that Davvy is just a scummy seeming dude. We're retracting our read on him a bit because while he is jumping all overt the place, we think might just be a bit lost!

@Lying cat,

"And then Cataphant tells me that farside is town. I'd REALLY like someone to tell me if the phant's meta read has groundwork or if it's just blatant rabbit out of ass style bullshit, but no one apparently cares to. Given that, I've put that whole can of worms on the backburner.
"

I've played with farside like 219084980243098423890342809423432894083489030 times and read her correctly most of them. Its not out of a hat. Your push on us is scummy as shit

We think there's a chance vedith is scum, but our eyes have gone elsewhere; We're both committed to the idea of Ankamius scum. He has just been sitting on the sidelines, and then when someone calls him out he attempts to buddy with them. Even if vedith is town (which is irrelevant) ank's response is just awkward. It's a good case, but it seems weird that he just like lays there and takes it. We hate to agree with thor, but this guy is totally scum
VOTE: ankamius

I FUCKED UP. THIS WAS US

[Cataphant]

SQUAWK ETC

[Davsto]

Smooth.

[pistachi0n]

I like that Ank is willing to challenge a popular wagon, but I wish he would elaborate more on why, exactly, the wagon is bad.

Which wagon?

The Vedith wagon.

[Thor665]

That's a popular wagon?
Or are you saying he opposed it last week or whenever it actually had its initial surge?

[Ankamius]

I found this gem while taking a quick glance at the early Vedith wagon again.

VOTE: Hecatia

Most of her posts at first are filler that makes them seem like they're trying to do something, like 78.

Like there are a lot of posts but nothing good until 2/3 into the iso.

Sheeps votes on Vedith.

Not liking this.

Hopping on an easier bandwagon with little reasoning.

Immediately attacks the first vote not on Vedith immediately after the wagon gets jumpstarted. Yuck.

[Hecatia Lapislazuli]

Town-
Vedith
Bulge
Farside
Thor

Maybetown-
Concrete
Cat things
pistachios
liarliarpantsonfire

I think a davvyboy scumflip bumps concrete up to the solid town list.

[Ankamius]

@Far, glad to see you're town <3

I didn't notice pistachions callout of Sakura there initially, but you're right. That's a really strange post. Definitely not looking at pistachio very favourably right about now

oh.

[Hecatia Lapislazuli]

btw guys if you would take a moment to gander at davvyboy in NY189 that just finished, you notice a lot more aggressive dayplay and a lot more committed stances than here!

Food for thought.

[Ankamius]

I like that Ank is willing to challenge a popular wagon, but I wish he would elaborate more on why, exactly, the wagon is bad.

It was a wagon that had nothing very big behind it, yet it managed to get three sheep votes instantly and just sat there for a long time.

a) I find it hard to believe that three town instantly sheeped that case. It's not a terrible case, but far from sheepable-by-three-players-instantly good.
b) Vedith's response here looks more town than scum

That was more than enough to conclude that there's scum on the wagon somewhere, but I skimmed the game for Cataphant + Thor posts. Thor just suddenly ignores Vedith entirely while passively supporting the wagon until he moves off last page, while Cataphant just... ugh.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Massive
VOTE: Cataphant

I'm back to preferring this. I'll pass off my massive-scumread to my difficulty to reading him prior for the moment since I'm having trouble seeing him as scum in this game state.

[Lying Cat]

Far side is still ducking me.

LC's laser post was an ode to crappy play while trying to sound clever about it - and no one seems to have even bothered to read it.

Okay. Now please tell me why I should vote with you. Make a damn case, man. I shouldn't need to push YOU of all people this hard.

@lying cat: I have agreed with people before and still feel null about them. 1 or 2 good post mean nothing to me.

Sure you can. It still raised an eyebrow, and was still worth noting. Would you mind telling me why you thought Thor and Dav were town?

I'm worried that Davvy is just a scummy seeming dude. We're retracting our read on him a bit because while he is jumping all overt the place, we think might just be a bit lost!

@Lying cat,

"And then Cataphant tells me that farside is town. I'd REALLY like someone to tell me if the phant's meta read has groundwork or if it's just blatant rabbit out of ass style bullshit, but no one apparently cares to. Given that, I've put that whole can of worms on the backburner.
"

I've played with farside like 219084980243098423890342809423432894083489030 times and read her correctly most of them. Its not out of a hat. Your push on us is scummy as shit

We think there's a chance vedith is scum, but our eyes have gone elsewhere; We're both committed to the idea of Ankamius scum. He has just been sitting on the sidelines, and then when someone calls him out he attempts to buddy with them. Even if vedith is town (which is irrelevant) ank's response is just awkward. It's a good case, but it seems weird that he just like lays there and takes it. We hate to agree with thor, but this guy is totally scum
VOTE: ankamius

I FUCKED UP. THIS WAS US

Okay, and I still really don't care about your defense here, because that's absolutely not what I was asking for there. I want literally anyone other than you to respond and corroborate or deny your assertions. You actually cannot do that.

@farside: Is Cataphants assertion that they can meta read you true or false?



I'll try to get some ISOs done today and tomorrow, but who knows if I'll get to it.

[pistachi0n]

That's a popular wagon?
Or are you saying he opposed it last week or whenever it actually had its initial surge?

Yes.

510 is good reasoning.

[pistachi0n]

Sorry, that last post wasn't clear, by "yes" what I meant was that it was still a viable wagon.

[Hecatia Lapislazuli]

Unvote
Vote: Ankamius

Hey Amianki, remember what you said about your scum/town meta in your reactions to being wagoned? ^_^
I'm putting that to the test.

~Sakura

[Ankamius]

Let me know how that goes I guess.

[pistachi0n]

What's the point, how that you're telling Ank what you're doing? If they know they're being reaction tested it ruins the effect.

[Concrete Angels]

Town-
Vedith
Bulge
Farside
Thor

Maybetown-
Concrete
Cat things
pistachios
liarliarpantsonfire

I think a davvyboy scumflip bumps concrete up to the solid town list.

Why? I'm townreading him.

ETL

[Hecatia Lapislazuli]

Davsto is actually a read me and notty disagree on, but i was letting notty have his way so i could get a better read.
notty's stance is that you are the type of player that would coach him in a scum PT, because he doesn't look like he's being coached.
My stance is that he doesn't look like he's being coached is simply because he's not scum.
notty disagrees with occam's razor.

We both agree on Ankamius scum, he for his play today, and me because he's being calm about being wagoned, when usually he turns aggresive when he's town. (inb4 he turns aggresive now)

~Sakura

[pistachi0n]

I'm tentatively townreading Concrete Angels

[Antihero]

Not really. I'd have hoped for a hard push or vote and pressuring me into towntelling.

Scum don't want to pressure lurkers with ten days on the clock. Because that would involve arguing with me, keeping up a sustained push and potentially making me react to pressure in a way that is clearly town to everyone. Scum want lurkers to lurk until 1-2 days to deadline. So, then they can go "why not Wingback?" And people decide to ISO me at that point, think "okay, he's done nothing, let's go with that!"

Problem is, no one has even given me a second glance besides Concrete who I'm already reading as town so I'm assuming scum are among the players crafty enough to not take the easy bait.

This post makes me laugh.

Very much.

Also, we aren't a doublevoter as far as we know.

Anti pls

well... i was going to randomly make you a double voter... because i just wanted to do something nice for you and i like you a lot.

you didn't have to be so mean about it. you know what? just...
forget it...

:'(

[Antihero]

I know what it is to feel lonely and helpless and to have the whole world against me, and those are things that no men or women ought to feel.

The 39 Steps

Vote Count 1.10

Ankamius - 5 (The Bulge, Vedith, Thor665, Cataphant, Hecatia Lapislazuli)
Cataphant - 1 (Ankamius)
farside22 - 1 (Wingback)
Hecatia Lapislazuli - 3 (pistachi0n, massive, Davsto)
Thor665 - 1 (Lying Cat)

Not Voting: Concrete Angels, farside22

7 to lynch
Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-16 00:40:36)

[Davsto]

Wait a sec, where's the Ank wagon come from? I'm genuinely confused.

[Vedith]

btw guys if you would take a moment to gander at davvyboy in NY189 that just finished, you notice a lot more aggressive dayplay and a lot more committed stances than here!

Food for thought.

For the brief moment of time that I was in that game, Dav wasn't aggressive, but I can't remember the entire game. His play style is the same as most games I'm in/played with him. I'm not sure if that's a good tell of town or bad tell of not being able to read him at all...

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Massive
VOTE: Cataphant

I'm back to preferring this. I'll pass off my massive-scumread to my difficulty to reading him prior for the moment since I'm having trouble seeing him as scum in this game state.

Although I don't disagree with the vote, where do you see this going?