FF7 Mafia (Game Over)

ISO · Post Post #5300 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:46 pm

Votecount 8.1

[5] Not Voting (Cerberus v666, pirate mollie, hiplop, ProHawk, Seiko x Naomi)

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-10-17 22:30:00)

Cerberus v666 · Post Post #5301 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:23 pm

In post 5298, Seiko x Naomi wrote:cv666, what is your bussing meta?

i dunno if this'll affect anything but it is related to something i noticed

I've never rolled scum here, and only thrice elsewhere. Once I was a SK, so, nothing to show you there, and I don't think I bussed/suggested bussing in either of those games, but I would certainly do it if it seemed smart...but I don't find it to be especially great. The little bit of extra town cred you get from bussing gets you to end game...but it doesn't get you a win, in my opinion at least.

pirate mollie · Post Post #5302 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:58 pm

In post 5291, Seiko x Naomi wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62686

I looked through your iso that game and yes, that was the game that I was thinking of.

you were pretty aggressive in that game, very much like how you were with cerb here. I know you were pretty antagonistic in ori but I thought that it was due to special circumstances. it is just something that I am taking note. I read the whole thing.

@ hawk boy

I find it strange that for as long as you have been on this site that you have zero scum games that you wound up in lylo in.

ProHawk · Post Post #5303 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:01 pm

Mollie, can Seiko be scum?

I dunno what to tell you? I'm not good at this game?

ProHawk · Post Post #5304 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:03 pm

Wait! I think there was one game Cabd and I hydraed in that we made it to lylo as scum and won.

pirate mollie · Post Post #5305 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:04 pm

In post 5303, ProHawk wrote:Mollie, can Seiko be scum?

I dunno what to tell you? I'm not good at this game?

how about you begin with why you thought that were 3 scum left. with 3 flipped scum from shrinra and only 1 from meteor. god I need to look at my spreadsheet more.

I am not even sure how this is even a debate at this point.

VOTE: prohawk

eta: orly

ProHawk · Post Post #5306 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:06 pm

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=28438

I'm pretty confident you're scum so your vote doesn't scare me.

ProHawk · Post Post #5307 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:07 pm

I thought there were 3 scum because balance dictates so. I was obviously wrong but it was speculative anyhow.

I love how when you're scum you try to answer the least amount of questions possible.

ProHawk · Post Post #5308 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:09 pm

In post 5276, pirate mollie wrote:gah, I hate you pple

NO1 VOTE

ProHawk · Post Post #5309 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:11 pm

In post 5305, pirate mollie wrote:

I am not even sure how this is even a debate at this point.

VOTE: prohawk

eta: orly

My magic spreadsheet dictates so! Throw caution to the wind! (It was fake anyhow)

ProHawk · Post Post #5310 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:17 pm

I would also like to point out that Mollies target is contrived. She said she jked Seiko last night, but there was a kill. If she was clearly flowing her role, she would have realized that should have been a sign of innocence. Yet she continues to "meta" them.

Cerberus v666 · Post Post #5311 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:19 pm

In post 5305, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 5303, ProHawk wrote:Mollie, can Seiko be scum?

I dunno what to tell you? I'm not good at this game?

how about you begin with why you thought that were 3 scum left. with 3 flipped scum from shrinra and only 1 from meteor. god I need to look at my spreadsheet more.

I am not even sure how this is even a debate at this point.

VOTE: prohawk

eta: orly

Why are you calling out prohawk for that, but ignoring seiko about it?

ProHawk · Post Post #5312 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:19 pm

Third strike. The Odd-Night roles are symmetrical by scum. See flipped Odd-Night Turk Role-Cop. Not a smoking gun but it is something to note.

ProHawk · Post Post #5313 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:21 pm

Yet I'm not going to vote yet because Im going to sleep. No quick hammers.

pirate mollie · Post Post #5314 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:58 pm

In post 5307, ProHawk wrote:I thought there were 3 scum because balance dictates so. I was obviously wrong but it was speculative anyhow.

I love how when you're scum you try to answer the least amount of questions possible.

I am pretty sure that I have answered every single question lobbed my way, even if you feel unsatisfied with the answers. this looks like a desperate attempt to go after gj.

hey! speaking of not answering questions!

how about you answer the one where you thought that there might be 3 scum left because I had it in my head that you were talking 2 meteor scum plus possible sk even with the lack of nks but nope, you were trying to posit that there were three scum left on the same team and when I asked you what made you think that were three you flat-out ignore it.

pirate mollie · Post Post #5315 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:59 pm

pirate mollie · Post Post #5316 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:00 pm

In post 5307, ProHawk wrote:I thought there were 3 scum because balance dictates so. I was obviously wrong but it was speculative anyhow.

I love how when you're scum you try to answer the least amount of questions possible.

plz explain to me how balance dictates so with what has already flipped.

pirate mollie · Post Post #5317 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:06 pm

In post 5311, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 5305, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 5303, ProHawk wrote:Mollie, can Seiko be scum?

I dunno what to tell you? I'm not good at this game?

how about you begin with why you thought that were 3 scum left. with 3 flipped scum from shrinra and only 1 from meteor. god I need to look at my spreadsheet more.

I am not even sure how this is even a debate at this point.

VOTE: prohawk

eta: orly

Why are you calling out prohawk for that, but ignoring seiko about it?

because i am reading 1 head as town and 1 as scum and trying to marry the concept of notty buddying me this hard as scum.

why are you deflecting from the main convo at hand? cos it is about hawk boy. and unless you have a fantastic case to point towards him being town I am wondering exactly where you are going with this.

I am unsure about seiko. all I know to do in mylo is to deal with the shit that is directly in front of me and it points to hawk boy as scum. I don't THINK that I will be around tomorrow if hawk boy flips scum (AND I AM PRETTY SURE HE WILL!) but if I am I will worry about that tomorrow.

Cerberus v666 · Post Post #5318 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:18 pm

In post 5317, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 5311, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 5305, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 5303, ProHawk wrote:Mollie, can Seiko be scum?

I dunno what to tell you? I'm not good at this game?

how about you begin with why you thought that were 3 scum left. with 3 flipped scum from shrinra and only 1 from meteor. god I need to look at my spreadsheet more.

I am not even sure how this is even a debate at this point.

VOTE: prohawk

eta: orly

Why are you calling out prohawk for that, but ignoring seiko about it?

because i am reading 1 head as town and 1 as scum and trying to marry the concept of notty buddying me this hard as scum.

why are you deflecting from the main convo at hand? cos it is about hawk boy. and unless you have a fantastic case to point towards him being town I am wondering exactly where you are going with this.

I am unsure about seiko. all I know to do in mylo is to deal with the shit that is directly in front of me and it points to hawk boy as scum. I don't THINK that I will be around tomorrow if hawk boy flips scum (AND I AM PRETTY SURE HE WILL!) but if I am I will worry about that tomorrow.

Main convo at hand? I'm fairly certain 2-3 posts back and forth isn't much of a convo to deflect from. And, to answer the question, I'm questioning YOU because you're not being consistent. If thinking that there were 3 scum still alive is scummy, then it's scummy for BOTH people who posited the three scum scenario. You can't just selectively apply the scummy thing to the person you're suspicious of. That's obvious confirmation bias there.

Being "unsure" about Seiko and only being "pretty sure" about someone else really sounds like two different ways of saying you don't have a solid read either way.

Seiko x Naomi · Post Post #5319 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:25 pm

i'm almost certainly voting hawk here

but, i've only been able to analyze one possible scum pair and i want to make sure i'm not missing something obvious here. i have a tiny voice in the back of my head saying hawk could be the LYLO lynch and while i don't think it's remotely likely, i just wanna make sure.

Seiko x Naomi · Post Post #5320 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:30 pm

In post 5302, pirate mollie wrote:you were pretty aggressive in that game, very much like how you were with cerb here. I know you were pretty antagonistic in ori but I thought that it was due to special circumstances. it is just something that I am taking note. I read the whole thing.

ori is what i usually do when i have strong reads. although i wasn't at all aware of the external stuff while the game was going, and i wouldn't have remotely thought you were scum if i knew what was going on there.

i was pretty aggressive d3 of swag wars, which i did because most of it *was* genuine. notsci was pushing me as scum for awful reasons (<3 notsci), despite being right about me being scum, and flooding the thread with posts in a way i couldn't interact with at all. i can't say i wouldn't play like this re: cerb if i actually was scum here because it's a similar scenario, although i'd prob be more concerned with pushing her as scum and lynching her instead rather than being resigned to her voting me

Seiko x Naomi · Post Post #5321 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:32 pm

In post 5307, ProHawk wrote:I thought there were 3 scum because balance dictates so. I was obviously wrong but it was speculative anyhow.

I love how when you're scum you try to answer the least amount of questions possible.

if you thought 3 scum yesterday, and knew i had a town read on Cv666, why was my reaction to her voting me over the top?

HMM

Seiko x Naomi · Post Post #5322 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:33 pm

Cv666, do you have a preferred pronoun? i swear i saw it listed as "she" at one point but i could be misremembering or just confused (sorry if i am

).

Cerberus v666 · Post Post #5323 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:42 pm

Oh. I thought I had set it to he..

Nothing to be sorry about, I've given no indication either way.

Prohawk, Seiko raises a good point. You're guilty of notable inconsistency. You did say yesterday, iirc, that you thought 2 was more likely, but here you're saying you thought there were 3. What changed?

Seiko x Naomi · Post Post #5324 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:42 pm

In post 5301, Cerberus v666 wrote:I've never rolled scum here, and only thrice elsewhere. Once I was a SK, so, nothing to show you there, and I don't think I bussed/suggested bussing in either of those games, but I would certainly do it if it seemed smart...but I don't find it to be especially great. The little bit of extra town cred you get from bussing gets you to end game...but it doesn't get you a win, in my opinion at least.

this makes me think that you/hawk is not a viable scum pair (since i don't expect you'd lie about this).

one down, 5 to go. just to be sure, can i get a link to your offsite games?