In post 86, Cataphant wrote:VOTE: sakura her questioning is weirdly aggressive and doesn't seem to be from a town mindset
Why was her aggression "weird?" What post was this in?
In post 97, Cataphant wrote:thor is questionable but I trust him b/c big scary thunder god! Also hes a good guy either alignment, and seems to be actually looking for answers!
If Thor is questionable, why do you trust him? "He's a thundergod" doesn't cut it. Where was he "actually" looking for answers? In my re-read of the first few pages, his argument with Concrete looked like arguing for the heck of it and is so inane and frivolous that I don't think he's "actually" looking for answers more than looking to post what passes for "content" on the surface.
In post 155, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:@Cataphant: your issue with us is that we are aggresive (or at least me), which is more of a playstyle issue than anything.
Why are you more interested in assauging Cataphant's read on you as "playstyle" rather than digging into their motivation for making that read? No interest in why he found your aggression "weird" or whether he sees any scum motive there or is just making stuff up?
In post 168, farside22 wrote:
Null on Concrete currently but I agree with [townreads on] Thor and Dav
Here's what you said thus far about Thor:
In
Post 66, you asked him what Thor's issue with Dav was implying you can't see where he's coming from.
In
Post 76, you elaborate on your disagreement telling Thor that you understand Dav's suspicion of him and question Thor about Hecatia.
In
Post 167, you ask Thor why he was townreading Cat on page 1 implying that you find Thor questionable and are trying to read him.
Here's what you said thus far about Concrete:
In
Post 167, you quote a post of theirs and say "this was how I was feeling when I read it."
In the same
Post 167, you quote another post of theirs and say "this."
So, I don't understand how Concrete is null to you and Thor is town. It seems like it should be the other way around. My thoughts now are that you are scum with Thor and want to townread him so you can make it to endgame together and you also want to be somewhat ambivalent about Concrete. However, you had let yourself be drawn into a minor argument with Thor because you wanted to distance and overwhelmingly agreed with Concrete because you wanted to buddy them as you perceived them as the de facto town leaders.
In post 168, farside22 wrote:
Hey not sakura. I'm looking for some unfiltered thoughts from both of you too. Not just defending but your stands so far.
This is an odd question to ask Hecatia at that point. They may have looked "scummy" to some - that's debatable but they had given stances and unfiltered thoughts. They were scumreading Davsto, townreading Thor and were leaning scum on Concrete but couldn't nail it down. I can remember their stances from memory which is more than I can say for any other player in the game. So, this question from you looks like filler. Like you thought "hey, here's a wagon on town, let me ask them mindless, nonsensical questions to look like I'm scumhunting and trying to read them."
In post 208, Cataphant wrote:I'm happily in agreement with hippy that Far is town, I've played scum with her and this doesn't look at all similar. Call it meta/gut.
How is her play different here?
In post 208, Cataphant wrote:Concrete Angels seems aggressive, but has a similar thought process to me.
The "but" implies that you found Concrete's aggression scummy but that scumminess is mitigated by their thought process being similar to yours. Why is their aggression scummy?
In post 210, Vedith wrote:I think that there is 1 scum on my wagon and 1 off and I don't see you and Hecatia associated as of yet.
Why? This looks more like an easy and arbitrary number to throw around for no reason at all. If one scum is on and one is off, where's the third scum?
This is a poor townlist. You are townreading my top two scumreads.
Where was Farside aggressive about anything?
This is a non-explanation. What posts of Thor's did you feel were town-motivated and in what different way do you think he would have approached the game if he were scum?
Who has Farside tunneled on? In fact, I don't recall a single scumread she had.
- Post 21 - She policy-voted you.
- Post 66 - She leans town on Dav and asks Thor what his issue with Dav was?
- Post 76 - She tells Thor that she understands Dav's issue with Thor.
- Post 134 - She declares V/LA.
- Post 166 - Fluff about trying to catch up.
- Post 167 - Agrees with Concrete's reasons for scumreading you (Hecatia) but adds no reasons of her own; further questions Thor.
- Post 168 - Asks for your "unfiltered thoughts."
- Post 169 - Townreads concrete. Some other indifferent, non-committal reads on Davsto and Vedith.
- Post 178 - Gibberish.
- Post 179 - Pointless overexplanation to Thor.
- Post 180 - Useless clarification.
- Post 191 - Asks Dav for his scumreads. A surface level question that takes zero effort.
- Post 196 - Asks Lying Cat why they only asked for Cat's townread on Farside. Because Cat's read was suspicious, duh.
- Post 198 - Justifying her desire to out characters.
- Post 306 - Sorry, she's been busy. But no worries, she'll be around tomorrow!
A couple of issues here: 1) Nothing that Farside has done looks town. 2) She didn't even come close to tunneling. How are you townreading Farside for "tunneling?" Where did she tunnel? Are you just making shit up now?
In post 288, Vedith wrote:However, I'm seeing you and Hec as more TvT trying to 1 up each other.
One up each other? I have no idea what that means in a mafia context.
In post 302, pistachi0n wrote:Null read on Vedith, the main argument seems to be that he was posting elsewhere but ignoring questions, and the one other time I was playing with someone like that it was a townie who had joined too many games.
Give me a link to this with names.
In post 312, Concrete Angels wrote:@Wingback: I see a lot of good questions, but I'm wondering - what conclusions have you reached based on the responses you've received?
My scumreads are Farside22, Thor665, and Cataphant. My strongest townreads are you, Lying Cat, Ankamius, and Massive. Possibly Hecatia based on more recent posts, maybe Davsto, Vedith, and Pistachion. Null on The Bulge.
In post 332, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:the scumread on us for squawking looks like overeager newbtown who has like this simplistic one-dimensional view of the game based of froggie mafia we just finished id say that fits town pistachios p well.
In what way? Even a 30 second glance at his ISO in Frog Mafia tells me there's something very different in his posts here. He seemed a lot more interested in scumhunting there but the game had also reached around 40 pages at the point he replaced in.
In post 333, Concrete Angels wrote:It doesn't fit my experience with him, where he showed a genuine curiosity about people's ideas and tried to understand them. I don't see that here.
Show me where.
In post 369, Thor665 wrote:I am moving Pistach to a town read. Dav remains a scum read. So does Vedith. Concrete is trying to become one, trying very hard.
Explain them all please.
In post 389, Cataphant wrote:having played town and scum with [Farside] before. She's more aggressive as scum and the frustration over a spelling/comprehension issue looks genuinely towny.
Show me where as scum Farside was more aggressive. The "frustration" over a spelling mistake is 100% not indicative of alignment. It's a personality rather than alignment thing.
In post 405, Thor665 wrote:This is scummy as HELL so back up, and talk to me, dodge again with a weak wimp reason like the above and I will happily death tunnel you till I secure your lynch.
The entire response to Farside in this post is overblown and designed to confuse people. Like, what the heck are you even arguing here?
In post 485, Thor665 wrote:LC's laser post was an ode to crappy play while trying to sound clever about it - and no one seems to have even bothered to read it.
How? His descriptions of you and Farside were pretty accurate. Even if you disagree about his read on you, how does nothing about his Farside read resonate to you when you have also spent a ton of time calling out Farside?
