Mini 1725 - Game Over

[Slandaar]

The first thing that crossed my mind when you posted it was: fake, so I think I would have faked a reaction if I was scum.
So no town points for supercool just yet.

You seem to be saying 'I thought X therefore supercool would likely think X so no townpoints for him!' when what you should be doing is thinking 'I thought X, it's possible supercool thought X, looking at his reaction I think Y for reason Z'

You are treating the reaction in a general way and not an individual way.

[Slandaar]

who is she referring to in post 60? What does "Soapbar now bear watching" mean? What point is she making by saying "You're the one who placed that vote"? Pretty much what she means in all of her posts in coherent english.

It's all very confusing. All I know is I am watching Fire like a hawk.
(I think what happened is she didn't realize Soap was the person who voted in the first response - we will see)

[RadiantCowbells]

I hear it all trying to fall asleep.
When all the love around you is dying
how do you stay so strong? how did you hide it all for so long?
how can I take the pain away? how can I save
a fallen angel, in the dark, never thought you'd fall so far.
fallen angel, close your eyes, I won't let you tonight.

[Glork]

VOTE: Soapbar

Too many townreads, too soon.

What do you think the scum motivation was for Soapbar faking a dayvig?

[ChaosOmega]

MarioManiac4 replaces KTthecreeper.

[MarioManiac4]

Hello everybody!
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RVS according to Mafiascum Wiki

At the beginning of a game of Mafia, each Townie has precious little information about the setup. As a result, the first set of votes are made with

either no reasoning or humorously flawed reasoning.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells for being wrong about my vote not being RVS.

My vote was the one that wasn't RVS.

Also incredibly suspect that you're using a by the book definition for what an RVS vote is.

Your vote can only be non-RVS if you were also saying mine was.

Otherwise you would have no reason you have given for your vote

PEdit: Oh wait, this is RC I'm playing with... You don't use reasons with your votes...

Your vote can only be non-RVS if you were also saying mine was.

Otherwise you would have no reason you have given for your vote

PEdit: Oh wait, this is RC I'm playing with... You don't use reasons with your votes...

This is hilariously shoddy reasoning combined with (what seems like) an attempt to try and invalidate RC's votes.

Which seems pretty scum yeah

VOTE: Supercool898

I don't see a reason why shoddy reasoning here=scum? And why does super listen to someone voting for him?

VOTE: Soapbar

[MarioManiac4]

Hello everybody!
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RVS according to Mafiascum Wiki

At the beginning of a game of Mafia, each Townie has precious little information about the setup. As a result, the first set of votes are made with

either no reasoning or humorously flawed reasoning.

~Noted start of exchange~

VOTE: RadiantCowbells for being wrong about my vote not being RVS.

My vote was the one that wasn't RVS.

Also incredibly suspect that you're using a by the book definition for what an RVS vote is.

Can you explain why?

Your vote can only be non-RVS if you were also saying mine was.

Otherwise you would have no reason you have given for your vote

PEdit: Oh wait, this is RC I'm playing with... You don't use reasons with your votes...

Your vote can only be non-RVS if you were also saying mine was.

Otherwise you would have no reason you have given for your vote

PEdit: Oh wait, this is RC I'm playing with... You don't use reasons with your votes...

This is hilariously shoddy reasoning combined with (what seems like) an attempt to try and invalidate RC's votes.

Which seems pretty scum yeah

VOTE: Supercool898

I don't see a reason why shoddy reasoning here=scum? And why does super listen to someone voting for him?

VOTE: Soapbar

Sorry. I derped the Soapbar quote, refreshed it and forgot to put everything else back in.

[MarioManiac4]

RVS ended as soon as RC voted you

I view RVS as sort of an ice breaker. It allows people to talk and make mistakes. When a person makes a mistake, then that is when RVS starts to end.

What kind of meaningful mistake can be made when everyone is simply making a joke vote?

They don't make mistakes from the votes themselves (unless they say they are voting using a system like random.org or something, drawing attention to them) but when conversations arise from the votes that is when mistakes can easily be made.

But how do conversations arise from the joke votes?

Why are you trying to get a RVS debate?
And why are you putting yourself into a conversation between two other players?

RVS ended as soon as RC voted you...

...But how do conversations arise from the joke votes?

Well isn't how this game has turned out? I made an RVS vote that caused RC to vote me which caused a conversation. Hopefully I am explaining this well...

This almost makes me reconsider my townread on Super. What's the purpose of the last bit?

I'm pretty sure RC was just reaction testing. Nothing about your RVS vote was particularly scummy to me.

But I can't speak for her.

What was the point of Garciaing this?

You know what, I'm just going to save people the time

Dayvig shot at Supercool898

What was the point of this gambit?

Welp, back to waiting a week for a new game. I wasn't scum. So far I think RC and Slandaar are town. I guess Soap is conftown then. Btw when do I die? At the end of the day, or when Chaos comes back?

This reaction seems somewhat town? Super seems like a bit of a freshman here that didn't know about the gambit.

Welp, back to waiting a week for a new game. I wasn't scum. So far I think RC and Slandaar are town. I guess Soap is conftown then. Btw when do I die? At the end of the day, or when Chaos comes back?

UNVOTE:

OK, real talk, I'm not a dayvig, that was a complete and total gambit. I decided to do it because I didn't think the wagon would yield any results on anybody else outside of you so it didn't help us.

so basically everyone who has talked is town?

Yep

This is like the horrendous logic you comndemned Super for? This seems like a post planned for covering up the gambit unless I'm missing something?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Soapbar

Too many townreads, too soon.

What do you think the scum motivation was for Soapbar faking a dayvig?

I don't think the Dayvig was alignment related at all, I think he just did it for fun then got cold feet.

[MarioManiac4]

k. my p3 post got deleted by me accidently closing the window.
so soapbar is still scum and rc and super are town by association. nosferatu is fillering and could well be scum. glork and slaandar both give me a decent vibe but i can't see anything supertown in their posts.

[supercool898]

RVS ended as soon as RC voted you...

...But how do conversations arise from the joke votes?

Well isn't how this game has turned out? I made an RVS vote that caused RC to vote me which caused a conversation. Hopefully I am explaining this well...

This almost makes me reconsider my townread on Super. What's the purpose of the last bit?

People kept asking me about RVS so I started thinking I wasn't making sense.

[Rory]

I sorta rushed out those reads so I didn't actually have a reason for Slaandar. I thought that since he was on the wagon that'd mean he's Townie but that doesn't mean a whole lot because he could've been trying to bus.

I'm townreading RC though because he's judging from other games I've seen him in he's usually at the forefront of everything as Town (as well as a bit abrasive). Which seems to fit here. So yeah, Townread but do keep in mind it's mostly on Meta alone.

Besides it's a bit too early for reads anyways. Since half the players haven't even posted yet.

Why would it matter if he was on the wagon?
I agree with you about RC being on the forefront as town. Have you played with scum RC before? And how is scum RC different from town RC?

[Rory]

The first thing that crossed my mind when you posted it was: fake, so I think I would have faked a reaction if I was scum.
So no town points for supercool just yet.

You seem to be saying 'I thought X therefore supercool would likely think X so no townpoints for him!' when what you should be doing is thinking 'I thought X, it's possible supercool thought X, looking at his reaction I think Y for reason Z'

You are treating the reaction in a general way and not an individual way.

I'm not sure what you're saying...

What I mean is, the dayvig looked fake to me. So there's a big possibility supercool felt the same way and faked his reaction. It's possible he bought it, but no way to be sure. Therefor, I am not getting a read out of the reaction test.

What do you think about the reaction test and the response to it?

[Glork]

VOTE: Soapbar

Too many townreads, too soon.

What do you think the scum motivation was for Soapbar faking a dayvig?

I don't think the Dayvig was alignment related at all, I think he just did it for fun then got cold feet.

I can't agree with that. There are two scenarios where I could see SoapbarScum gambitting, and neither of them are "just for funsies."

[Nosferatu]

hmmm... thinking Mario and RC might be town, maybe Glork; super and soap are meh, no scum read strong enough to vote; might just amass townreads and PoE after a re-read.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's a pretty dangerous situation to townread me this early in a game.

you may live to regret it.

[Glork]

It's worth noting that Shadoxx hasn't been replaced (so I assume they confirmed their role), yet they haven't posted yet. Something to keep an eye on.

[Glork]

Same with revealista and Annadog40

[Glork]

Supercool: What past experience do you have with revalista?

Firesong: Who are your top two scum candidates right now?

MarioManiac4: is there anyone besides Soapbar pinging your scumdar right now?

[RadiantCowbells]

anything goes but don't blink you might miss

[supercool898]

I have never been in a game with revalista before. Isn't revalista replacing out though?

[Soapbar]

@Glork, Annadog has posted actually, in RVS, Post #4.

[Soapbar]

Hello everybody!
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Page 1;

RVS according to Mafiascum Wiki

At the beginning of a game of Mafia, each Townie has precious little information about the setup. As a result, the first set of votes are made with

either no reasoning or humorously flawed reasoning.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells for being wrong about my vote not being RVS.

My vote was the one that wasn't RVS.

Also incredibly suspect that you're using a by the book definition for what an RVS vote is.

Your vote can only be non-RVS if you were also saying mine was.

Otherwise you would have no reason you have given for your vote

PEdit: Oh wait, this is RC I'm playing with... You don't use reasons with your votes...

Your vote can only be non-RVS if you were also saying mine was.

Otherwise you would have no reason you have given for your vote

PEdit: Oh wait, this is RC I'm playing with... You don't use reasons with your votes...

This is hilariously shoddy reasoning combined with (what seems like) an attempt to try and invalidate RC's votes.

Which seems pretty scum yeah

VOTE: Supercool898

I don't see a reason why shoddy reasoning here=scum? And why does super listen to someone voting for him?

VOTE: Soapbar

Because his reasoning was being used to try and dismiss a vote on him. RC gave him a non-RVS vote with no presented reason and instead of asking why SC tried to pull some arbitrary shit out of his ass. It was very defensive and quite baffling.

I don't know the answer to your second question

[Soapbar]

RVS ended as soon as RC voted you

I view RVS as sort of an ice breaker. It allows people to talk and make mistakes. When a person makes a mistake, then that is when RVS starts to end.

What kind of meaningful mistake can be made when everyone is simply making a joke vote?

They don't make mistakes from the votes themselves (unless they say they are voting using a system like random.org or something, drawing attention to them) but when conversations arise from the votes that is when mistakes can easily be made.

But how do conversations arise from the joke votes?

Why are you trying to get a RVS debate?
And why are you putting yourself into a conversation between two other players?

RVS ended as soon as RC voted you...

...But how do conversations arise from the joke votes?

Well isn't how this game has turned out? I made an RVS vote that caused RC to vote me which caused a conversation. Hopefully I am explaining this well...

This almost makes me reconsider my townread on Super. What's the purpose of the last bit?

I'm pretty sure RC was just reaction testing. Nothing about your RVS vote was particularly scummy to me.

But I can't speak for her.

What was the point of Garciaing this?

You know what, I'm just going to save people the time

Dayvig shot at Supercool898

What was the point of this gambit?

Welp, back to waiting a week for a new game. I wasn't scum. So far I think RC and Slandaar are town. I guess Soap is conftown then. Btw when do I die? At the end of the day, or when Chaos comes back?

This reaction seems somewhat town? Super seems like a bit of a freshman here that didn't know about the gambit.

Welp, back to waiting a week for a new game. I wasn't scum. So far I think RC and Slandaar are town. I guess Soap is conftown then. Btw when do I die? At the end of the day, or when Chaos comes back?

UNVOTE:

OK, real talk, I'm not a dayvig, that was a complete and total gambit. I decided to do it because I didn't think the wagon would yield any results on anybody else outside of you so it didn't help us.

so basically everyone who has talked is town?

Yep

This is like the horrendous logic you comndemned Super for? This seems like a post planned for covering up the gambit unless I'm missing something?

1) Because I had already started confronting him before. What does me questioning a player who made questionable moves have to do with anything?
2) Read what you quoted dude, SC thought that he had been voted because of his RVS vote, when it was pretty obvious RC was reaction testing. (At least I think it was pretty obvious he was, he gave no stated reason for the vote and said it was non-rvs)
3) Two Reasons: First is, With the line of questioning we were heading down, any results from said questioning would only tell about him, and if a wagon started to form then it would be pretty easy for scum to get on it and coast on it for an easy lynch. Second is if he was scum then it would be a quick confession in case he bought the trick.
5) What does my logic and Super's logic have to do with each other? I condemned Super for pulling arbitrary logic out of his ass to justify his reaction to RC's vote. That has nothing to do with a fakevig. And what reason do I have to cover up the gambit? What motivation do I even have to do that as Scum? Your townreading Super (I guess?) but if I'm scum then Super has to be Scum also, since the only reason I would pull that fakevig as Scum would be to save his ass.

[Soapbar]

I sorta rushed out those reads so I didn't actually have a reason for Slaandar. I thought that since he was on the wagon that'd mean he's Townie but that doesn't mean a whole lot because he could've been trying to bus.

I'm townreading RC though because he's judging from other games I've seen him in he's usually at the forefront of everything as Town (as well as a bit abrasive). Which seems to fit here. So yeah, Townread but do keep in mind it's mostly on Meta alone.

Besides it's a bit too early for reads anyways. Since half the players haven't even posted yet.

Why would it matter if he was on the wagon?
I agree with you about RC being on the forefront as town. Have you played with scum RC before? And how is scum RC different from town RC?

EBWOP: Missed the first question, but I'm saying it didn't. I retracted my Townread on Slaandar after realizing I didn't actually have a reason for Townreading him, I just thought I did.

VOTE: Soapbar

Too many townreads, too soon.

What do you think the scum motivation was for Soapbar faking a dayvig?

I don't think the Dayvig was alignment related at all, I think he just did it for fun then got cold feet.

There's only two reasons I would pull the fakevig, and neither of them are just for fun

1) I, as town, thought the line of questioning was useless to Town and lead to an easy scumwagon so I decided to try and stop it before it got there.
2) I, as scum, used to fakevig to try and save my scumpartner.