Mini 1723: Town of Helen Day 4

[SilverWolf]

UNVOTE:

I'd like to consider the miller claim. I'll be busy all day. Try to be back later but we'll see.

[wgeurts]

Who claimed miller?

[SilverWolf]

Aristophanes did.

[wgeurts]

That's crumpets, he was one of my scum reads.
VOTE: Aristo
Place holder.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: 20x100

Yeah, still need actual words from you. 20/100 is the closest you have come to actual words on any sort of read. But why didn't you vote then?

I scum read all the posts I spoilered

[Rob14]

Reasons?

[Vedith]

What's a Miller do again? I know that it's an easy role to find out if lying, right?

[Rob14]

It's a role that investigates as scum even though the role is not scum. There's no easy way to find out if it's lying.

We definitely shouldn't lynch Ari today, but neither should he be in LyLo. Unfortunately, I've said that about three people up to now, I think, so that does limit our options on future lynches if we stick to it. We can probably allow Boon to LyLo, but we can discuss that later. I'd rather not open up that can of worms again yet.

[Flubbernugget]

Reasons?

You because they're fluff with a hint of "we're scumhunting I promise we'll have something to show soon" with nothing to show

[Titus]

Reasons?

You because they're fluff with a hint of "we're scumhunting I promise we'll have something to show soon" with nothing to show

That's a good reason. PB has that too. Boon has that.

Ugh I am getting to the point where I want to say active = town but that usually isn't the case.

VOTE: 20/100 or wgerts

How do you like lasagna, mafioso?

[Titus]

It's a role that investigates as scum even though the role is not scum. There's no easy way to find out if it's lying.

We definitely shouldn't lynch Ari today, but neither should he be in LyLo. Unfortunately, I've said that about three people up to now, I think, so that does limit our options on future lynches if we stick to it. We can probably allow Boon to LyLo, but we can discuss that later. I'd rather not open up that can of worms again yet.

If the miller moves, it lies. To properly claim miller, the whole role must be claimed.

[wgeurts]

Reasons?

You because they're fluff with a hint of "we're scumhunting I promise we'll have something to show soon" with nothing to show

That's a good reason. PB has that too. Boon has that.

Ugh I am getting to the point where I want to say active = town but that usually isn't the case.

VOTE: 20/100 or wgerts

How do you like lasagna, mafioso?

Lasagna sucks, give me fried duck
I'm almost home so I'll be able to finish my read instead of phone-posting soon.

[Boonskiies]

Miller makes sense in this kind of game, tbh.

@Aristo - is there more to the role? You don't have to claim it or not, just a yes or no should suffice.

[Rob14]

Ah, forgot about that Titus.

[Aristophanes]

Miller makes sense in this kind of game, tbh.

@Aristo - is there more to the role? You don't have to claim it or not, just a yes or no should suffice.

Nope, just extra flavoring. Flavour which leads me to believe there isn't a third party role btw, now that I've reread it.

[wgeurts]

Paraphrase that extra flavour to the most borderline precision you can.
As well as the wording of your miller.
I'm currentely happy with my vote and I originally wanted to vote titus but her play improves over the game.
Rob, SW, Pistach, Guilty and sadly boon are all likely town though.
On page 16.

[wgeurts]

UNVOTE:
Finished reading and that solid crumb warrants leaving Aristo until we have more information.
Right now I'm slightly in the dark. I have quite a few town reads but not a lot of solid scum reads.
Titus' early game play was false and awful, it seems to be improving but her skill at this game makes me paranoid.
Prolapsed brain is matching his scum game to games I know he's been scum in.
Aristo I can make a solid case on and the only thing holding me off is his miller claim.
Vedith is just not feeling town to me and I'm considering scum on that slot as well.

I feel like I've got some scum in this group, just need to do so more looking before making up my mind.
Anyone got questions for me?

[wgeurts]

I feel like I'm not going to be a lot of worth this day 1. I'm trying something new focusing and noting down a lot of interactions of people which I'm seeing if it helps me find scum/town through associatives. That and I'll be doing some VCA which gets better the longer the game goes on as we get more flips to study.
I'm going to look at my scum reads again later to see if I'm mistakenly putting them in this group or if they are actually scum.

[wgeurts]

Have we considered a flavour claim?
I'm Jesse McCall (need to check the McSummin part).

[SilverWolf]

So why was your hydra so spammy Wgeurts? Was any of that you? Was there a point to it?

If everyone thinks flavor claiming is o.k. I have no problem with that.

[SilverWolf]

@Vedith-Do you still think Titus is scum? Can you lay out a case if so?

[Aristophanes]

Paraphrase that extra flavour to the most borderline precision you can.
As well as the wording of your miller.
<snip>

Gladly!

Since I'm claiming anyway, I'll do the flavour name as well. I can't see any harm in it, but if anyone does, let us know before everyone else starts doing so.

Mario DeSteffano here.
I used to be somewhat of a crook but have gotten my life back in shape. With my shady past, any cop will assume I'm part of the mob.
(Basically, my records check is fucked, but I'm not a bad guy.)
Extra stuff (Mod confirmed extraneous info): I've been followed here by the Mafia and have seen something of the sort before. The town is a lot like a place I've been before.
(Thus my assumption that the Mafia are our main, and likely only, counterpart in this game.)

[Vedith]

@Vedith-Do you still think Titus is scum? Can you lay out a case if so?

I haven't got anything additional but I still think scum. I really don't want to tunnel but I can't help but feel she is scum.
I also don't believe that her partner is a Miller.

[Aristophanes]

@Vedith-Do you still think Titus is scum? Can you lay out a case if so?

I haven't got anything additional but I still think scum. I really don't want to tunnel but I can't help but feel she is scum.
I also don't believe that her partner is a Miller.

Does this mean that you don't think her partner would claim miller, and thus I am more town?
Or does this mean that you are assuming I am her partner and not a miller, thus scum?

If the latter, you are confbiasing us as partners which isn't allowing you to properly parse the situation and you should probably take a step back and think a little more openly.

[Aristophanes]

UNVOTE:
Finished reading and that solid crumb warrants leaving Aristo until we have more information.
Right now I'm slightly in the dark. I have quite a few town reads but not a lot of solid scum reads.
Titus' early game play was false and awful, it seems to be improving but her skill at this game makes me paranoid.
Prolapsed brain is matching his scum game to games I know he's been scum in.

Aristo I can make a solid case on and the only thing holding me off is his miller claim.

Vedith is just not feeling town to me and I'm considering scum on that slot as well.

I feel like I've got some scum in this group, just need to do so more looking before making up my mind.
Anyone got questions for me?

@The bolded part:
If you think I'm scummy, despite the claim, vote for me. I have seen claims get scum extra days, even when their play screams scum, many times in the past.
I mean, I'm not scum, but if the only thing holding back your vote is a claim, and a miller claim at that, that is pretty weak.

Would you care to make said case, now that you have read through everything?

What about Vedith strikes you as off?