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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:00 am

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Votecount 4.03

L-1 :right: Luna Fox - 2 - Alchemist21, PantherPunt
L-1 :right: PantherPunt - 2 - Luna Fox, MarioManiac4
MarioManiac4 - 1 - Diego1487

Not Voting: ...

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-14 00:27:46)
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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:14 am

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Who's ...?
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:13 am

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There is no one not voting.
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It keeps me from killing the folks I know in meatspace....
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Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:46 am

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In post 1399, MarioManiac4 wrote:It contains the truth of the last scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

So you are an option?
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:24 am

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In post 1403, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 1399, MarioManiac4 wrote:It contains the truth of the last scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

So you are an option?

Maybe for you
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Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:33 am

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So here's where I'm at.

Case on Panther: He hasn't in either participated scum lynches. While I do not hold VCA as supremely as others around here, I do see where it holds water at times. Especially in a game with a scum lynch on d1, the scum team does not need to be bussing. They're already at a disadvantage, why add to it?! In addition, Panther's play has evolved as the game has progressed. In fact, it's mimic the game meta in every way. I'm not talking about activity level, he's been quite busy in rl (congrats by the way...best wishes starting your new family). What I've noticed is that early in the game he was quite aggressive, brutish even in his treatment of scum reads. As the game has quieted down, so has his forcefulness. It feels he's flowing with town vibes...a great scum play.

Case on Luna: This defeatist attitude really has thrown me for a loop. I haven't committed on it because I keep trying to figure it out. But what I keep coming back to is: "Why is she so worried about getting lynched?" Scum!Luna would be worried much: the game is over and she loses. However, town!Luna's lynch would add one last piece of the puzzle to help figure out scum in LYLO. She even admits that she doesn't feel adequate to handle LYLO, so her lynch would the most beneficial to a town victory if that statement is true. I know she's stated as much. However, either her nervousness to being lynched is true or her acceptance that she should be lynched to help town is true. They both can not be true in my mind.

I really am torn. I'd rather spend some time as a group of five figuring this out than hammering at this moment.
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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:22 am

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So you think that only one of us 2 is scum?
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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:24 am

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Because im at the point that i'll even self-hammer if you guys promise me you'll lynch panther tomorrow.
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:28 am

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In post 1406, Luna Fox wrote:So you think that only one of us 2 is scum?
No, I still
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to lynch Mario. But I've been put in the middle of you and Panther so I'm telling everyone my feelings on you two if I'm forced to lynch one of you.
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:35 am

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In post 1407, Luna Fox wrote:Because im at the point that i'll even self-hammer if you guys promise me you'll lynch panther tomorrow.

I'm not sure why everyone always wants to lunch me in lylo. If you are in fact town, the scenario above would be an L.

I'm going to hate myself if Diego is scum here and I don't vote after I was screaming to heaven about TTH all of d1. I'm parking this. Lynch me if you must.
VOTE: diego
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:40 am

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Also, I wasn't on scum wagons but that's happenstance. I gave intent to hammer on someone..think it was scum but can't remember. I missed an entires effing day phase that was rushed too. Just remembered that...

I actually thought this game was lock win for town based on our start but it's really taken a turn apparently
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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:48 pm

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In post 1409, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1407, Luna Fox wrote:Because im at the point that i'll even self-hammer if you guys promise me you'll lynch panther tomorrow.

I'm not sure why everyone always wants to lunch me in lylo. If you are in fact town, the scenario above would be an L.

I'm going to hate myself if Diego is scum here and I don't vote after I was screaming to heaven about TTH all of d1. I'm parking this.
Lynch me if you must.
VOTE: diego


I know this feeling, and usually when I get it I'm wrong. Please switch your vote.
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:36 pm

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Well i was pretty sure Panther was the last scum until his vote switch...
Now im confused.
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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:20 pm

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Also the fact that conf town Alchemist still doesn't tell me why im scum nor is trying to sort me out to fix this wrong read makes me sad.
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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:55 pm

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In post 1413, Luna Fox wrote:Also the fact that conf town Alchemist still doesn't tell me why im scum nor is trying to sort me out to fix this wrong read makes me sad.


In my opinion, Silver's interactions point to all the other three being Town. Also, I had early suspicions of you then I backed off and started Townreading you. Usually that happens when the player is scum.
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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:04 pm

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So basically I'm scum because of something a flipped scum player did?
How is that supposed to be fair for me when i know i'm town?

And i remember you had suspicions early game of me, i still don't know why...
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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:19 pm

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You know what, don't even bother answering, im done reasoning with you.
You will probably die tonight anyway so you can tell me all about your "scumread" on me on the Dead QT when we're both dead.
I'm tired of defending myself of stuff that isn't even my fault.
If you want to lynch town that way then go ahead.
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:03 pm

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Votecount 4.04

L-1 :right: Luna Fox - 2 - Alchemist21, Luna Fox
Diego1487 - 1 - PantherPunt
MarioManiac4 - 1 - Diego1487
PantherPunt - 1 - MarioManiac4

Not Voting: ...

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-14 00:27:46)
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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:23 pm

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Onto other things that don't make sense:
Why wouldn't Scum!Diego agree to the proposal and instead continue to say Mario is scum when i offered him an easy way to victory.
Why would Panther get worried after i said that and start pushing Diego who still doesn't want to lynch either of us and keeps thinking Mario's scum.
Some food for thought.
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:11 am

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In post 1418, Luna Fox wrote:Why wouldn't Scum!Diego agree to the proposal and instead continue to say Mario is scum when i offered him an easy way to victory.
I don't know what scum!Diego would do here, but I do know that town!Diego made the choice to not rush through a lynch he wasn't sure about.
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:15 am

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In post 1419, Diego1487 wrote:
In post 1418, Luna Fox wrote:Why wouldn't Scum!Diego agree to the proposal and instead continue to say Mario is scum when i offered him an easy way to victory.
I don't know what scum!Diego would do here, but I do know that town!Diego made the choice to not rush through a lynch he wasn't sure about.

That statement was more directed at saying you were town for not accepting the offer i made before.
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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:16 am

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In post 1416, Luna Fox wrote:VOTE: Luna Fox
@mod: If we lynch Luna using a self vote, and she turns up scum, is this considered playing against her win-condition according to site rules?


The answer will help me decide if this is a gambit or essentially confirming Luna as town.
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:21 am

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If i was scum giving up i would have PM'd the mod about it, btw.
And I doubt the mod will give you an answer that would help you confirm me as town.
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Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:25 am

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Luna if you don't unvote yourself in your next post I'll hammer because we don't get a consesus on PP without you voting him
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Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:26 am

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VOTE: PP
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