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Nachomamma8 · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:28 am

Dave:

Scum's next two night actions will be spent shooting Hecatia and then shooting you. While there is merit to perhaps targeting Hecatia tonight, that merit disappears completely when you claim that outright, and jail keeping scum means that we get a scumlynch and an innocent and two power roles still, which would put us significantly ahead despite the outcome of today. If we can kill both ninjas before you two are dead, the watcher will be able to protect a PR for what is going to almost certainly be a win. I would suggest flipping a coin between protecting Hecatia and jailing a scumread; saying that there's a chance you will protect Hecatia lowers scum incentive to shoot her but also means scum may take the risk and shoot her.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:29 am

In post 822, Concrete Angels wrote:LOL WTF NACHO.

how in the hell are you town-reading pistachi0n???? have you played with her before?

Yes. Is there a reason I shouldn't be town reading her?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:30 am

In post 818, Nachomamma8 wrote:The Ank case is "he doesn't get defensive as scum, and isn't defensive now, and thus is scum". This is pattern matching; it's not a great case.

It is meta.
Also yes Ank town would OMGUS the worst push on him.

~Sakura

Davsto · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:30 am

In post 825, Nachomamma8 wrote:Dave:

Scum's next two night actions will be spent shooting Hecatia and then shooting you. While there is merit to perhaps targeting Hecatia tonight, that merit disappears completely when you claim that outright, and jail keeping scum means that we get a scumlynch and an innocent and two power roles still, which would put us significantly ahead despite the outcome of today. If we can kill both ninjas before you two are dead, the watcher will be able to protect a PR for what is going to almost certainly be a win. I would suggest flipping a coin between protecting Hecatia and jailing a scumread; saying that there's a chance you will protect Hecatia lowers scum incentive to shoot her but also means scum may take the risk and shoot her.

I'm not actually protecting Hecatia, sorry.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:31 am

Unless Ank is townreading everyone voting him, then... yeah

~Sakura

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:31 am

In post 793, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:The 2nd is like... what... how am i supposed to explain how someone is obvtown when i DONT have to read the slot on my own? If i had had to read him then maybe.

I don't really understand why you're asking me to make a town case on my own hydra partner =/

You made a claim that not science was obvious town, meaning you could recognize that despite not having to read him.
Why was it unreasonable to ask you to explain why he was obvtown?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:32 am

In post 830, Nachomamma8 wrote:You made a claim that not science was obvious town, meaning you could recognize that despite not having to read him.

Because he's always obvtown when he's town

~Sakura

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:34 am

In post 828, Davsto wrote:I'm not actually protecting Hecatia, sorry.

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Nachomamma8 · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:34 am

Let me guess: you're not protecting Hecatia because other people told you it was dumb without giving reasons?

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:34 am

You know what, fuck it, come lynch me i don't care anymore, it'll be fun to see your face for mislynching Town Sakura, when you've never done that mistake before

~Sakura

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:35 am

In post 831, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:
In post 830, Nachomamma8 wrote:You made a claim that not science was obvious town, meaning you could recognize that despite not having to read him.

Because he's always obvtown when he's town

~Sakura

That's not true.
People aren't "always" anything.

Concrete Angels · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:35 am

In post 825, Nachomamma8 wrote:both ninjas

uh what?

Davsto · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:36 am

In post 833, Nachomamma8 wrote:Let me guess: you're not protecting Hecatia because other people told you it was dumb without giving reasons?

No, I'm not protecting Hecatia because enough people were arguing it with genuine points (when I actually wasn't going to do it because gambit) despite me saying "trust me and move on" so I knew they wouldn't let it go so I just admitted that I was planning the gambit. Focusing on that is bad for the gamestate when we only have a few days left on the deadline.

Thor665 · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:37 am

In post 782, Nachomamma8 wrote:@Thor:
Could you talk to me about your Ank read? The only part of your case I understand (because there are a lot of words and words are bad!) is the following:

In post 664, Thor665 wrote:So your first instinct on seeing a case from him was to go, he's wrong, but, man, how obvious he's scumhunting what with those wrong conclusions I can see and understand the town and not scum thought process?

I don't really buy that, I have to say.

And I disagree that you can't very strongly townread someone for making an incredibly wrong case. And that wouldn't be a statement I don't think you'd disagree with me on? So I'm misreading something somewhere and I'd like to know where.

I am clearly presenting this really badly because I just had to repeat this to LC also.
The point is - you don't hold up a case you know is bad (a case that you are scum) as an example for others to see the glory of the scumhunting of a slot.
Sure, maybe (maybe) he looks at that case and gets town vibes, i could almost go along for that one, though I find it less likely than a 50/50, but to go the step further and declare it brilliant to behold? And also to then *not* address your "town read" and talk them down from suspecting you, but instead duck and deploy?

Bull-hooey, not buying it.

You are?

In post 771, farside22 wrote:Thor this was the post again that I felt was a weak attack against dav it was also now that I caught up there where I found dav confused by your response.

Okay...we are not debating whether he did or did not act confused, at least I'm not. I'm aware that he did. It's part of my issue with him.

In post 771, farside22 wrote:Part of the discussion also is what drives me a little skeptical of Thor when he won't explain his town read when asked but complains about others town reads.
I also know that is part of my hate of hypocrites though.

I hate it when people don't understand what the word 'hypocrisy' means, but that's just me, apparently.

In post 771, farside22 wrote:thor: Why didn't you ask Heca about her town read on you?

Because it was an RVS town read from Sakura - so who cares?

In post 775, farside22 wrote:Why is Pist a town read?

Look at the few posts prior - is attacking, but isn't mindless dogged attacking. Looks legit and town scumhunting to me even though he could have sunk teeth in and derped on one of those wagons.

Why, what did you see there?

In post 767, Ankamius wrote:Oh you're looking for this specific situation?

What did you think I was looking for?

In post 769, Nachomamma8 wrote:It'll likely take me a couple of days to properly catch up; want to try to catchup in a more pro town way than my usual "read nothing, start doing things later".

Why are you opting for the change?

Concrete Angels · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:37 am

my eyes are glazing. i'm glad nacho's here but i'm pretty sure at this point that he's scum. i'd like a flip soon.

Davsto · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:38 am

We're not lynching Sakura today. Surely we want her to get at least one investigation off in case she is telling the truth?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:39 am

In post 834, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:You know what, fuck it, come lynch me i don't care anymore, it'll be fun to see your face for mislynching Town Sakura, when you've never done that mistake before

~Sakura

The only reason I'm continuing this line is so you can see my perspective in asking you to defend not science. I don't suspect you anymore.

Hecatia Lapislazuli · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:41 am

>Doesn't suspect me
>Vote is still on me
yeah right

~Sakura

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:41 am

In post 836, Concrete Angels wrote:
In post 825, Nachomamma8 wrote:both ninjas

uh what?

In post 2, Antihero wrote:The Mafia will have a player with the Ninja modifier and one with a Back-up Ninja modifier. These only apply to the factional kill.

Concrete Angels · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:42 am

yeah yeah i foundn it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:42 am

In post 842, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:>Doesn't suspect me
>Vote is still on me
yeah right

~Sakura

Just because I haven't immediately voted you doesn't mean that I am still suspecting you.

Davsto · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:42 am

In post 845, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 842, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:>Doesn't suspect me
>Vote is still on me
yeah right

~Sakura

Just because I haven't immediately voted you doesn't mean that I am still suspecting you.

I have no idea what this sentence means.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:43 am

In post 838, Thor665 wrote:The point is - you don't hold up a case you know is bad (a case that you are scum) as an example for others to see the glory of the scumhunting of a slot.
Sure, maybe (maybe) he looks at that case and gets town vibes, i could almost go along for that one, though I find it less likely than a 50/50, but to go the step further and declare it brilliant to behold? And also to then *not* address your "town read" and talk them down from suspecting you, but instead duck and deploy?

I'm following you now. I'll review that in a minute.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:43 am

In post 846, Davsto wrote:
In post 845, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 842, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:>Doesn't suspect me
>Vote is still on me
yeah right

~Sakura

Just because I haven't immediately voted you doesn't mean that I am still suspecting you.

I have no idea what this sentence means.

unvoted*

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:44 am

In post 838, Thor665 wrote:Why are you opting for the change?

It turns out that I'm better at reading people when I actually read their posts

In post 839, Concrete Angels wrote:my eyes are glazing. i'm glad nacho's here but i'm pretty sure at this point that he's scum. i'd like a flip soon.

Because I disagree with your reads?
Why not talk to me about why you have the reads you do if that's the case?