Mini 1723: Town of Helen Day 4

[vonflare]

How is PB escaping the rope? They've been, simply put, nothing but scummy this game. They're labeling large portions of the game as "drama" in an attempt to avoid dealing with them or interacting with anyone.

The 20x100 wagon took off and I think a lot of lurkers are on it for the sake of it being a popular wagon

So you are against the wagon? Because you then say you think I'm scum.

Are the lurkers wrong or right?

[vonflare]

There are several posts I want to comment on, but they are direct questions to specific people, so I will hold off.

WHAT?

[vonflare]

UNVOTE: whomever this slot is currently voting

later

[Flubbernugget]

How is PB escaping the rope? They've been, simply put, nothing but scummy this game. They're labeling large portions of the game as "drama" in an attempt to avoid dealing with them or interacting with anyone.

The 20x100 wagon took off and I think a lot of lurkers are on it for the sake of it being a popular wagon

So you are against the wagon? Because you then say you think I'm scum.

Are the lurkers wrong or right?

Went from scum to null because of the wagon

[Flubbernugget]

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I'm still liking 20x100 for scum but they're probably a wagon worth pursuing at a later time

We'll see what changes in later pages

"I think this player is scum but I won't push them because reasons."

And what does "We'll see what changes in later pages" mean? Are you expecting someone to claim scum?

There's a difference between not pushing and not wagoning

And I wasn't expecting a scum claim but of course anything is possible

[Flubbernugget]

There are several posts I want to comment on, but they are direct questions to specific people, so I will hold off.

WHAT?

What

[vonflare]

There are several posts I want to comment on, but they are direct questions to specific people, so I will hold off.

WHAT?

What

@prolapsed btw

[Titus]

There are several posts I want to comment on, but they are direct questions to specific people, so I will hold off.

...Why are you holding off on asking people questions?

It's rude (and counterproductive) to answer for someone else. Once they're answered, I'll post my thoughts.

Asked and answered vonflare.

Can you get clear on the posting? Having someone new every five seconds makes following your train of thought impossible.

[A Simple Plan]

750 reads like complete bullshit to me for some reason, and it makes me feel a lot less comfortable about my earlier townlean on SW. I'd like a bit more in-depth explanation from

Boonskies

as to what's so obviously scum about her, but that 750 doesn't sit well with me, so a good explanation would be nice.

Rob is so obvtown it hurts. The activity level, extent of scum hunting, and general play ethic is on point. Citing 798 as an example of a great argument about how Titus' play is more antagonistic than anything else, and I feel that, while not necessarily scummy, she hasn't played an overly town game.

... I'm at a point where I want to PL this freaking 20x slot because NOBODY can keep track of this at a reasonable level. First wguerts, and now Vonflare, and they're bouncing back and freaking forth?

[Titus]

@ASP, 750 is an Ari post asking you if you have reads... How does that have anything to do with SW?

[Rob14]

Those are extremely safe reads. Hedging on SW and Titus who are likely to 1v1 at some point, town on the likely D1 NK, and moving in the direction of voting the lead wagon.

nope nope nope nope nope

[vonflare]

Sorry about the flip-flopping. There have been some in-hydra complications.

[GuiltyLion]

I think your read wasn't really "developed" at all; as shown above, you were ambiguous, and null, and wishy-washy up until your post 759, when Rob suddenly became very decisive town. I think it reeks of trying to force a read onto a player, and there's only two reasons I can think of for someone to do that: They're lazy town, or they're scum.

Which are you?

K, so you completely missed the most critical part of my read in 309:

Rob has also moved into my townlean category with consistent defense of me on the subsequent page from my post 240, especially the sequence of 255, 257, 261, and 263. I see no scum-motivation for defending me as his townread and making those points, unless he's trying to play an extremely long game by buddying me and keeping me alive. But if that happens I can revisit the read later this game, for now I think that's a very townie action to take.

when you said:

In 309 you ask Boon about Rob, but supply no further read yourself.

I'm inclined to think this is just a mistake rather than scum blatantly ignoring something I said in order to paint me as scummy. If I wanted to assume you were scum for this and push my read to other players, I could say something like "

it reeks of trying to force a read on a player

". But the main point here is that you need to pay more attention if you're town and want to help win this game.

[GuiltyLion]

Why have you asked several people how their opinion of you has changed based on your read of me? Why do you care about their opinion of you?

I know that I am town, so when looking at the reads that someone is making, their read on me is the one where I can best discern whether it's honest assessment of my play or coming from an informed position. I don't really care what their opinion of me is, I care how they arrived at it. I have no problem with Titus scumreading me for the things she called out, as I could follow her thought process, but PB's attack here is simply incorrect, and now I can watch what happens when I point out that he is wrong.

Also, I believe PB is the only person I've asked this question, and I'm asking because his initial scumread of me was due to when I null-read you and asked Titus to consider why pistachi0n was voting you, several hundred posts ago.

[Prolapsed Brain]

I think your read wasn't really "developed" at all; as shown above, you were ambiguous, and null, and wishy-washy up until your post 759, when Rob suddenly became very decisive town. I think it reeks of trying to force a read onto a player, and there's only two reasons I can think of for someone to do that: They're lazy town, or they're scum.

Which are you?

K, so you completely missed the most critical part of my read in 309:

Rob has also moved into my townlean category with consistent defense of me on the subsequent page from my post 240, especially the sequence of 255, 257, 261, and 263. I see no scum-motivation for defending me as his townread and making those points, unless he's trying to play an extremely long game by buddying me and keeping me alive. But if that happens I can revisit the read later this game, for now I think that's a very townie action to take.

when you said:

In 309 you ask Boon about Rob, but supply no further read yourself.

I'm inclined to think this is just a mistake rather than scum blatantly ignoring something I said in order to paint me as scummy. If I wanted to assume you were scum for this and push my read to other players, I could say something like "

it reeks of trying to force a read on a player

". But the main point here is that you need to pay more attention if you're town and want to help win this game.

Huh. I did miss that. TBF, it is in the middle of a paragraph; I was only skimming your posts, visually, looking for "Rob" and not using Ctrl+F.

But you are right, I missed it and you initially did post it, which means you aren't as scummy as I initially surmised.

I'll move you over into Mostly Town.

[Rob14]

Why have you asked several people how their opinion of you has changed based on your read of me? Why do you care about their opinion of you?

I know that I am town, so when looking at the reads that someone is making, their read on me is the one where I can best discern whether it's honest assessment of my play or coming from an informed position. I don't really care what their opinion of me is, I care how they arrived at it. I have no problem with Titus scumreading me for the things she called out, as I could follow her thought process, but PB's attack here is simply incorrect, and now I can watch what happens when I point out that he is wrong.

Also, I believe PB is the only person I've asked this question, and I'm asking because his initial scumread of me was due to when I null-read you and asked Titus to consider why pistachi0n was voting you, several hundred posts ago.

You also more-or-less asked titus in 759, or at least that's how I'm reading it.

[GuiltyLion]

@Rob - I asked Prolapsed_Brain the same question in 759 because I was responding to 661.

But I can see how it reads like I was asking Titus. That's a phrasing problem on my part, it was directed at Prolapsed_Brain, and now I also understand why he ignored/missed it the first time.

[Rob14]

Ok, that's plausible, I can see how you could have meant that.

[Boonskiies]

I've explained why I thought wolf was scum.

[Titus]

@Boon, No. You haven't.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Silverwolf

This isn't her town game. At all. Haha.

100% the reasoning I need right now.

[Titus]

Boon, we aren't in your head. Why isn't this SW's town game?

[SilverWolf]

UNVOTE:

[SilverWolf]

VOTE: Silverwolf

This isn't her town game. At all. Haha.

100% the reasoning I need right now.

You said the same thing last game and I was town.

The only other town game you have with me is when I was an outed Mason who was confirmed town once my partner died.

I think you're just butthurt I called you worthless.

[SilverWolf]

There are several posts I want to comment on, but they are direct questions to specific people, so I will hold off.

...Why are you holding off on asking people questions?

...I think he's avoiding answering other people's questions.

There are several posts I want to comment on, but they are direct questions to specific people, so I will hold off.

...Why are you holding off on asking people questions?

It's rude (and counterproductive) to answer for someone else. Once they're answered, I'll post my thoughts.

Asked and answered vonflare.

Can you get clear on the posting? Having someone new every five seconds makes following your train of thought impossible.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...............................................

Look at this. Titus keeps jumping in and answering for/defending PB. Considering how strange these two have been all game, I'm starting to wonder here.

I'm gonna go check how many votes PB has.