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[Thor665]

Choo-choo?

[Davsto]

I suppose I can deal with a Lying Cat lynch.

I've seen some pretty half-decent points about them I think.

[Ankamius]

@Thor:

I think my assertion that multiple people were townreading Vedith because of his attack on Ank was due to a case of faulty memory; I'm rereading Ank right now to get a better read on the slot.

But first, question for Ankamius:

UNVOTE: Cataphant
VOTE: massive

What changed since your Cataphant vote?

What changed since your Cataphant vote?

I forgot it was Vedith who had been voting for Cataphant until the vote count.

Why was Vedith's vote being on Cataphant before significant enough to make you change your vote here?

Read all my posts on this page. I hinted pretty strongly that the reason I was voting for Cataphant because I had a stronger scumread on that slot and both had one other player voting them each; I switched over to Massive when I realized that when Vedith moved his vote to me, Cataphant suddenly didn't have anyone else voting for him.

[Wingback]

VOTE: Lying Cat

Yeah, let's do this.

[Davsto]

Okay, LC it is then. We don't have much time left so ya know.

VOTE: Lying Cat

In case I die tonight, I'd very much like a pistach lynch tomorrow still.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

This is totally not a scum driven speedwagon at all. Nope...

[Wingback]

This is totally not a scum driven speedwagon at all. Nope...

Nope. Who's the scum in your mind? Thor?

Both me and Thor had scumreads on Lying Cat for a while now and the reasoning is there for all to see. Davsto is quite clearly town for his claim so who cares if he's wagoning without reasoning. If Nacho decides to compromise on Lying Cat, I'd call it probably the single most town-driven wagon that formed in this game so far.

Why are you against it?

[Thor665]

Because it's "Fast".
Also, I'm scum due to paranoia and wagoning earlier, so this is a continuation of both trends.

[Ankamius]

@Ank:

eh, I've mostly been seeing more town than scum markers so far, although a lot of the scum markers I'd expect her to make are more long term from what I can tell.

Could you talk about the town and scum markers you saw for Sakura at this point in time? A major problem I have with your posting so far is that you don't really seem to have much depth in your reads. I think talking about what seems to be a read where you're taking a lot into account and thinking about a bunch of things would help a lot.

It's not something I can explain very well.

I've been paying attention to how she interacts with people and processes information as either alignment, and what I've noticed is that she seems to have a lot of trouble faking town thought processes as scum really early into the game, but eventually it starts to mold together.

Posts like these are roughly what I'm seeing as genuine from her early posting.

Spoiler:

I have a wild guess as to why, but i'll let him answer, I do have a slight townlean on Thor however i'll sheep

Vote: Davsto

~Sakura

and voting someone I thought was town

Considering he asked you why you think they are town, have you considered that maybe he doesn't think they're town?
I don't think Davsto's town, but this seems like an odd logic for thinking Davsto's scum

~Sakura

My current issue with Davsto is that he apparently thinks my sheeping Thor was something he disliked, he asked me a couple of questions and left it at that, along with some fence sitty / wishy-washy stances.

~Sakura

However, she claims to be sheeping Thor, but at the same time she is attacking davsto and coming up with reasons to scumread him, while massaging Thor's ego and buddying him. Now, I don't know about you, but the reasoning usually comes BEFORE the vote/scumread, not after.

I sheeped Thor because i wanted an RVS wagon going.
Davsto's play afterwards only has increased my suspicion on him.

I don't know about you but usually when you're voting a player means you think they are scum and engage with them to either strengthen or weaken that read.
Also yeah, we haven't played in a while, but i'm more confident nowadays.

~Sakura

you think they are scum and engage with them to either strengthen or weaken that read.

Ok. I don't.

I don't vote first, and then ask questions. I ask questions and then vote.

So basically it's a playstyle difference then.

Basically my impression is that if you were scum you wouldn't mind just going aggro on me if you have suspicions on me, but you wanting to talk with your other head makes me think you're actually wanting an opinion from someone that knows your alignment beforehand, so i think you're probably town.

~Sakura

This is secondary and wasn't relevant at all when I made #80, but I also have a secret town/scumtell for her and she has flipped the town side of the tell by the point.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Davsto
VOTE: Cataphant

Most likely the scum on the Vedith wagon. It's Thor if not him.

I like that you actually decided to follow up on your wagon thoughts from earlier (which backs up that you were townreading Vedith at this point), but I don't necessarily understand why you thought scum had to be on that wagon. Just because the case was bad meant that scum was going to jump all over it?

The case wasn't 'bad', but it was far from being a strong case. It always makes me paranoid when I see a case that doesn't impress me very much get sheeped that hard that fast.

The wagon was instantly sheeped by three people and effectively stalled out by the end of the page. Just from a quick skim of the next few pages after the initial wagon being formed, the only person not already on the wagon that commented at all about it was Massive, who just passively mentioned that he's interested in it... in some way. Cataphant basically ignored the wagon entirely afterwards, as did Hecatia Lapislazuli (although this is more consistent with their game before that point, so I only saw it as lightly scummy). After Concrete Angels bails on the wagon, Thor goes really passive about Vedith for a long time while still supporting the wagon up until he voted for me.

Concrete Angels Read: ETL found a single discrepancy and went into tunnel mode until snapped out of it by Metal Sonic. This is something I have done as town and the way it happened looks like a really awkward tactic for scum, so that's an easy townread.
Thor665 Read: His first post content-wise after initially sheeping looked a lot like an attempt to just brute force the wagon through, but then after that I got less of an impression that he wanted to actually push it through.
Cataphant Read: Sheeps and... that's it. Their response to me voting them for scum-sheeping is nothing but a kneejerk discredit attempt.
Hecatia Lapislazuli: Read above, although now that I look closer, that doesn't actually fit since Sakura posted in two bursts; the first had the initial vote, and the second had an indication that she was still wanting to at least pressure the slot.

[Hecatia Lapislazuli]

I get a too bad to be scum read off of pistachio's vote on us tbh.

[Thor665]

It always makes me paranoid when I see a case that doesn't impress me very much get sheeped that hard that fast.

Didn't it impress you of his townishness though?
Why wouldn't that get sheep?

[Ankamius]

It always makes me paranoid when I see a case that doesn't impress me very much get sheeped that hard that fast.

Didn't it impress you of his townishness though?
Why wouldn't that get sheep?

Go read the context and try again.

[Thor665]

Clearly I'm too dumb to see what you're getting at - can you clarify that and how it answers my question?

[Ankamius]

What I'm getting at is that your question makes no sense because I'm talking about the Vedith wagon, not my own.

[Thor665]

That would make sense.

[Ankamius]

Oh, now I understand what you mean.

Where did you get the impression that I was townreading Concrete Angels specifically for the case?

[Thor665]

I did not - I thought you were talking about the case Vedith made on you.

[Cataphant]

SQUAWK!

I'm both back AND far behind! Gotta catch up later tonight

[farside22]

Ahhhhh.
I had a few things come up.
I'm going to smash through what I can right now.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Lying Cats

Still plan to go through that ISO again, but feel like reserving my spot on the wagon is important.

[Ankamius]

I did not - I thought you were talking about the case Vedith made on you.

So I was right the first time.

How is your original question relevant then?

[pistachi0n]

Because they have consistently been picking apart the game and trying to get information out of people.

Where was Lying Cat doing this? Can you quote it?

He did have kind of a weak start, he was asking people to elaborate in 174 and 181, trying to figure out Cataphant in 400, pushing Thor in 511, more in 551.

[Antihero]

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