Mini 1723: Town of Helen Day 4

[GuiltyLion]

@GL-why is pista a townread for you?

116 summed up exactly how I felt about initial Titus vs. SW, while I didn't fully agree with the Rob vote I saw town-motivation where it was coming from.

I'll have to go back and reread the sequence of events and the gamestate at the time of her Flubbernugget push, but it didn't initially strike me as scummy because he had been posting very minimally when she voted him. 407 and 412 directed at Rob struck me as town trying to advocate for more pressure rather than scum trying to advocate for a mislynch.

Switch to wgeurts also read as genuine and I have the exact same reasons for suspecting that slot as 619.

Don't know why scum would post 761, it's one of those posts that doesn't say much in terms of effort but I highly value as a town post because it's a simple point that I think scum is more likely to forget to make. It also came somewhat immediately after 755, at a time before others had expressed similar views. Same thoughts on 875.

So it's mostly in that we share the same thought processes on SW-Titus feud, I fully agree with her case/vote on wgeurts, and there have been a few notable small points in her posts that I think scum wouldn't make. While the content is small compared to others in this game (Titus, Rob, etc), I see absolutely nothing that pings me as scum-motivated. Obviously I could drum up a bunch of reasons to doubt myself and go down the rabbit hole of "if this is what I expect town to look like, scum would optimally play to look like this", but overall I see town motivation in everything she's done while many others this game have managed to look scummier. A full readslist from her would help, but I have no problem with her position on the wgeurts/hydra/vonflare wagon.

For the record, I'm also still fully okay with lynching the 20x100/wgeurts/vonflare slot, as I've said before. It's funny how none of the three players posting for it (wgeurts, hydra, vonflare) have struck me as town. My vote isn't on it since it was at L-2 earlier and we have a week to deadline and I haven't seen a VC in several hundred posts, but you all can consider me on that wagon as well if you want.

[SilverWolf]

20x100 (3): Titus, pistachi0n, Prolapsed Brain
Titus (1): Vedith
Hieirama (1): A Simple Plan
Prolapsed Brain (3): GuiltyLion, Rob13, Flubbernugget
Rob13 (0):
Aristophanes (0):
Flubbernugget (0):
Boonskiies (0):
SilverWolf (1): Boonskiies
GuiltyLion (0):
Vedith (0):
pistachi0n (0):
A Simple Plan (0):

Not Voting (2): Hieirama, Aristophanes, SilverWolf, Vonflare

With 13 alive, it is 7 to Lynch or No Lynch.

Day 1 Ends in: (expired on 2015-10-21 22:00:00)

Here's the VC.

[GuiltyLion]

Ah, thank you for updating that.

Not Voting (2): Hieirama, Aristophanes, SilverWolf, Vonflare

this is a problem with the current gamestate IMO. Especially since I have scumreads on Hieirama (who needs replacement) and Vonflare. I don't want to consider moving my vote until I see where some of these votes go.

[SilverWolf]

Regarding 950, you said it better than I did. I have been townreading Pista because of gut and not seen scum motivation in her posts but her not posting much, and the fact that a couple of the scummier people look town now, made me think I might be townreading scum. But yeah, I don't think Pista is likely to be scum which makes the 20 wagon not bad.

I was voting Titus. I still think she's scum. Her scumgame that just finished http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63644

She had a lot of people feeling like crap-read the post game comments, pretty much what she's been doing to me most of the game. But I don't think it's productive for me to continue. It's too distracting and allows the other scum in the game to hide.

Vonflare wagon is o.k. There's not much town there and most of the people who support it are leaning town for me. Rob doesn't like it but I'm at a point where I fail to see why.

I could see ASP and Heir as scum but they are posting so little, I can't really push them. One needs to replace also. ASP voting Heir doesn't mean anything to me at this point in changing that.

The only other possible scum could be Vedith but that's only because he hasn't been as involved as I'd like and is in a coasting position sticking on Titus and not making waves-of course, if Titus is scum, this is town for sure. I could be wrong on Flubber I guess if I'm wrong somewhere on my townreads but he looks better than when I've seen him as scum. PB is townier now as well.

So yeah, I am good with the Vonflare wagon. Those wgeurts posts give me pause but meh, I can vote there. Better than sitting in an unvote status and maybe these votes will prompt him to post even at all.

VOTE: Vonflare

[Jingle]

Sorry, for the delay, but I've been discussing with the skittles.

Boonskiies has been modkilled, for attempting to enact a trust tell.

I'm unfortunately busy until later tonight, so flavor, flip, and an updated votecount will be coming shortly.

With that said, feel free to send in any night actions.

Deadline will be set after I find a replacement. If anyone would like to help solicit players, I'd be grateful.

[Jingle]

VOTE COUNT 1.10

It was a tragedy, perhaps more than the others, when the first deputy fell. No one quite knew what to make of it at first, but the round had gone off. Perhaps we'll never know whether it was a malicious act or a true accident, but the bullet pierced through and he lay, in a pool of his own drying blood. No one could save him. And it was that shot that spelled the beginning of the end.

vonflare (4): Titus, pistachi0n, Prolapsed Brain, SilverWolf,
Prolapsed Brain (3): GuiltyLion, Flubbernugget, Rob13,
Titus (1): Vedith,
Hieirama (1): A Simple Plan,
SilverWolf (1): Boonskiies,
Rob13 (0):
Aristophanes (0):
Flubbernugget (0):
Boonskiies (0):
GuiltyLion (0):
Vedith (0):
pistachi0n (0):
A Simple Plan (0):

Not Voting (2): Hieirama, Aristophanes, vonflare,

Boonskiies was modkilled. As he was town, this means it is now Night 1. Night 1 Ends 48 hours after I find a replacement. Boonskiies was Audrey Brown, an Investigator in the Town of Helen, aligned with the town.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, friends, to the Town of Helen.

You are Audrey Brown, a Conspiracy Theorist in the

Town of Helen

.

You will win when every threat to your precious town has been neutralized.

Deepest, Darkest Hole You Can Find

: Once a night, you may target a player. You will be told whether that player is guilty.

Who Knows What's In My File

: You've gone into the darkest dens and the seediest dives searching for proof. Unfortunately, you've gone into the darkest dens and the seediest dives. You're certain that anyone looking into your past will think you're involved in just about anything they're looking for.

I TOLD You, It's The

: You've known for years who's really responsible for everything wrong in the world. They just don't believe you. But soon. Soon you'll have proof and everyone will believe you when you tell them about the secret cabal of individuals who have shaped religion to distort the truth about their so-called "savior."

Replacing Hieirama.

[Jingle]

Mastin2 replaces Hieirama. Night one ends in 48 hours.

Night 1 ends in (expired on 2015-10-17 14:00:00)

[Jingle]

VOTE COUNT 2.1

Dawn breaking has long been a comfort to the mind of man. Dawn on April 23rd was not. A man missing, a man destroyed. The thirteen that had formed the core of the resistance to whatever was happening were cut apart. One killed by paranoia, one left in pieces in the main square, and one gone, with not even a note to hint at their destination. Would they pull together, buckle down and solve the mystery, or would they die, one by one.

vonflare (0):
Prolapsed Brain (0):
Titus (0):
mastin2 (0):
Aristophanes (0):
Flubbernugget (0):
GuiltyLion (0):
Vedith (0):
pistachi0n (0):
A Simple Plan (0):

Not Voting (10): mastin2, Aristophanes, vonflare, A Simple Plan, Vedith, Guilty Lion, Flubbernugget, Titus, Prolapsed Brain, pistachi0n

SilverWolf was brutalized. She was John Rhodes, a normal citizen in the Town of Helen.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, friends, to the Town of Helen.

You are John Rhodes, a completely normal citizen of the

Town of Helen

.

You will win when every threat to your precious town has been neutralized.

Deep, Deep Underground

: They know you're here. But that's okay, because you know too. They're coming. And no one else knows. You've tried. God knows you've tried to warn them. But the Reptilian overlords, in their celebrity and politician guises have finally taken note. And they're coming.

Rob13 was mutilated. He was a Town Cow.

Spoiler: Role PM

At least one player did not get the following Role PM:

Welcome, friends, to the Town of Helen.

You are Bessie, Town Cow.

You will win when every threat to your precious town has been neutralized.

Mooo.: Mooo.

It is currently Day 2.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-10-31 17:00:00)

[Rob14]

Go town!

[Titus]

VOTE: Vonflare

Let's pick up where we left off.

[Aristophanes]

Those deaths hurt

Inb4 Titus gets killed today.
What do people think of the fact that SW is dead today. Does it implicate Titus or make you townread her more?

I'd like everyone to chime in on this if possible.

Ninja'd
No thoughts on the deaths?
I know you're big on VCA, not NKA, but if you have any thoughts, that'd be cool.

Volare still isn't a bad idea, I agree.

[Titus]

We have at least one not group scum killer most likely, which given the numbers is the last thing I expected. The deaths don't really say much about who made them yet. That's more later.

The SW kill is a hornet's nest of wifom to anyone but me. Rob was obvtown and not getting lynched anytime soon.

There isn't much to go on with NKA. So I am going back to scumhunting.

[Aristophanes]

Okie dokes.
I'm gonna sit here behind the bars and ponder what happened last night.

Also put in some hard time soon, I swear.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: vonflare

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: vonflare

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Why vote both. Which do you think is scummier?
What was the point of doing these posts consecutively with no stated reasoning?

[GuiltyLion]

Hey all, I claim investigator with a guilty on Titus.

Probably means vonflare is town, PB is likely scum as well.

VOTE: Titus

[Aristophanes]

Hey all, I claim investigator with a guilty on Titus.

Probably means vonflare is town, PB is likely scum as well.

VOTE: Titus

You might have to give us a tad more than that, but awesome!

I'll wait for a response before voting, unless told otherwise.

(I'm not asking you to claim what you've got to give/have given out, but how did

you

end up with the guilty on them?

[Aristophanes]

I hate forgetting to close my brackets...)

[GuiltyLion]

Ari, I don't understand your question? I investigated Titus as my night action and found out she is not town.

[Titus]

Boonskies flipped investigator.

Fake cop claims aren't cool.

[Titus]

Will be back later.

[Aristophanes]

Ari, I don't understand your question? I investigated Titus as my night action and found out she is not town.

I read "inventor" not "investigator." My bad.

GL, can you give us any flavour?
Sum up the text if possible.

Titus, I need this answer before I can make a judgement.
Depending on the answer I will make my call on it.

[Aristophanes]

Also, who did you investigate N1 and what was the result?

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: vonflare

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Why vote both. Which do you think is scummier?
What was the point of doing these posts consecutively with no stated reasoning?

Picking up from yesterday. Forgot about pb till shortly after