Secret Alt Mafia 2 – Game over!

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

I think that the best way to handle situations like this is for a rolecop on him, to determine if he is telling the truth.

oh sure i'll get right on that

do you see town rolecops so often that you just assume we have one

what a weird way to sum up a read

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

also it's not the fact that he claimed miller that makes him obvtown, it's the way he went about claiming so extensively in a way that would be actively dangerous for scum to risk getting wrong

[Shiba Tatsuya]

also it's not the fact that he claimed miller that makes him obvtown, it's the way he went about claiming so extensively in a way that would be actively dangerous for scum to risk getting wrong

I disagree. The definition of a miller is quite standard. As I've mentioned, it is also possible that it was a scum fakeclaim or plan of some sort.

In short, it's easy for scum to simply claim Miller, and I'm definitely not writing him off as town for that.

[Natural Aristocracy]

I'm curious what you think of your scumreads' votes and the central wagons of the day (Great Value, Dimitri, Me, etc)


dipsy you're doing that thing again wrt rolecop

[Shiba Tatsuya]

If it was

n't

for his claim, I'd have him as a moderate scumread.

And, I believe this is the sum up of the read, and not the sentence that you've posted.

I've made a mistake in typing 'was' -> 'wasn't'.

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

If it was

n't

for his claim, I'd have him as a moderate scumread.

And, I believe this is the sum up of the read, and not the sentence that you've posted.

I've made a mistake in typing 'was' -> 'wasn't'.

in terms of what you want to do with gumby re: do we or do we not lynch him, 'idk rolecop him' was a better summary

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

dipsy you're doing that thing again wrt rolecop

elaborate

[Shiba Tatsuya]

I'm curious what you think of your scumreads' votes and the central wagons of the day (Great Value, Dimitri, Me, etc)


dipsy you're doing that thing again wrt rolecop

I disagree with all the central wagons of the day, because all of them are my townreads. I think I've addressed offhand in 228.

It's still early in the game, and my scumreads are relative. I'm not going to draw pre-flip associations just yet, sorry.

[Shiba Tatsuya]

If it was

n't

for his claim, I'd have him as a moderate scumread.

And, I believe this is the sum up of the read, and not the sentence that you've posted.

I've made a mistake in typing 'was' -> 'wasn't'.

in terms of what you want to do with gumby re: do we or do we not lynch him, 'idk rolecop him' was a better summary

That's fine.

Do you have any more comments on the rest of my reads?

What do you think about Quailford and my comparison of him with you?

[Shiba Tatsuya]

Would you like to vote Quailford with me?

[Natural Aristocracy]

Shiba

: Well, yeah, I am not asking for pre-flip associations, just your thoughts there. Obviously, if you weigh in a lot on your thoughts early, that gives you less wiggle-room as scum later. At least, as far as consistency goes, which you've established is part of what you consider to be town.

Dipsy

: I don't think that Shiba was trying to direct a rolecop as much as he was suggesting that roles will be able to sort out the miller claim as well as anything else. You've got a case of reading things without considering different context, I guess?

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

Would you like to vote Quailford with me?

yeah we can see where that goes

VOTE: quailford

don't see aristocracy wagon growing much any time soon sadface

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

Do you have any more comments on the rest of my reads?

don't feel like you pushed the boat out very far, rolecop thing stood out most

i liked the dividers

What do you think about Quailford and my comparison of him with you?

still don't like his treatment of gumby

idrc about your comparison, i'd like the intent thing more if i hadn't already pointed out exactly where you can see my intent, but if it works for you knock yourself out

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

Dipsy

: I don't think that Shiba was trying to direct a rolecop as much as he was suggesting that roles will be able to sort out the miller claim as well as anything else. You've got a case of reading things without considering different context, I guess?

even i can see more room for interpretation in your thing than shiba's rolecop thing. it's not that he _directed_ a rolecop it's that he matter of factly said that we could basically leave it to a rolecop which is an incredibly specific role and more often one given to scum rather than town. like no other role 'sorts out' the miller claim with same clarity a rolecop would so you're giving him too much credit for meaning it in general

i do consider different context, that's like the whole game, but he wrote the sentence that he wrote

[Shiba Tatsuya]

Dipsy

: I don't think that Shiba was trying to direct a rolecop as much as he was suggesting that roles will be able to sort out the miller claim as well as anything else. You've got a case of reading things without considering different context, I guess?

even i can see more room for interpretation in your thing than shiba's rolecop thing. it's not that he _directed_ a rolecop it's that he matter of factly said that we could basically leave it to a rolecop which is an incredibly specific role and more often one given to scum rather than town. like no other role 'sorts out' the miller claim with same clarity a rolecop would so you're giving him too much credit for meaning it in general

i do consider different context, that's like the whole game, but he wrote the sentence that he wrote

I've had a similar Miller issue happen in a previous game, and a Town Rolecop solved the problem. It was the first thing that came to my mind. I certainly do not know if we have a rolecop, but I was stating the best way that worked for me in a similar situation before.

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

was the claimed miller lying in that game

[Shiba Tatsuya]

He was not lying. Unfortunately, he was offensively scummy.

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

ok well my point was going to be 'yup of course he was lying because what's the point of putting a miller and a town rolecop in the same game, unlikely to work here'

but i guess you were in a bad setup

so what do you want to do about gumby if we don't have a town rolecop

[Shiba Tatsuya]

We have no choice. Do it the old-fashioned way. Scumhunt.

Trackers or Watchers are another solution that aren't hindered by Millers.

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

those don't confirm/deny miller claims unless there's one scum left

bored of this now though

[Gumby]

First off, guessing alts is a silly idea. People are going to be intentionally playing against their metas because they can do it without immediately being called scum for not playing to their townstyle, and also to distance themselves from their main. Yes, this applies to either alignment, don't say "but town wants to be read, only scum wants to hide meta!!!!". People want to vary their playstyles, ya know?

PLAYER NAME: Link to something notable in their ISO, you saying if that thing is 'scummy' or 'town'. Personal statement of feelings on that and/or a question that's lost in the reads list and may never be answered.

Have you heard of asking questions?

Total aside;
Should we reveal our main in twilight post-flip?
Or should we save that for post-game?

I'm revealing at the end of the game, want to keep people guessing

So far, I'm retracting my scumread on Shiba (the read was pretty tentative), and I'm leaning town on Dead and Dipsy. I'm liking my vote still, but I'll look through to see if it's still a thing I agree with or if it was one of those "it made sense at the time" reads I do oh so much.

[Shiba Tatsuya]

Yeah, I also feel that we have gained all we can from this topic of discussion.

Do you still have concerns with Spider Gwen?

P-edit: Okay, thank you for retracting your scumread. Who are your scumreads now, and could you please shift your vote to a more appropriate place? What is your read on Quailford, and would you consider voting there?

[Shiba Tatsuya]

People are going to be intentionally playing against their metas because they can do it without immediately being called scum for not playing to their townstyle, and also to distance themselves from their main.

Not everyone is capable of doing this, just like not everyone is capable of playing scum well.

I'm confident about my Natural Aristocracy read.

[Fear Thy Name Is Dipsy]

Do you still have concerns with Spider Gwen?

don't think the artificial thing is a big deal anymore

still think some weird mental gymnastics being done re: her gumby read

volume of posts is protown indicator though

lean town

[Gumby]

Reading kinda like Value realised that finding an excuse to scumread me would do him well so he found one, by quoting a post and yelling "CONTRADICTIONS!!!!"

Alright, I'll take the risk and just say it. I'd rather be accusing of "stalling" than modkilled but ya know.

Upon inspection from Cops aligned with the Town, they get a result of "is Mafia".

Yes, it specifies that as being the returned result.
Yes, it specifies Town Cops, and that results given to other roles are genuine.

As for the belatedness of the claim, I was considering just trying to play obvtown and hoping I don't get inspected (because claiming Miller will result in a policy lynch down the line) but I decided that I fucked that up so claiming was the best option.

I'm not very good at playing obvtown unless circumstances allow it.

OMG the contradictions! LOL

VOTE: Gumby

Shitfucking butts, people and their avatars.

I may have slightly mixed up Greatvalue and Quailford. I hope showing you these posts prove it.

Hell yeh I'll vote Quailford lol, I thought it was GreatValue who pulled that crap.
VOTE: Quailford