Open 612 - Bad Poets Society - Game Over - Town Win

[MaxwellPuckett]

I was in DS9 for a bit, yeah. I don't remember the game well.

And yes, scum wants their teammates alive.. But usually not like this, on D1, when there are plenty of targets to go after that don't involve defending their partners. Above all scum don't want to be caught defending the one that flips scum.

I'm not saying they won't defend each other on the first day, but they'll at least try to be subtle about it. I just don't see scum goodmorning saying that scum Trivium's posts don't look forced.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Town lean on max, and I'm going to go ahead and vote.

VOTE: brunn

He's been a PoE for me since the wierd interaction we had.

His recent posts make me feel better about voting him now.

I do want to see more from varsoon.

I'm seeing triv as town. His latest posts look real.

At work just squeezing in a few reads.

[The Fire Hermit]

RIP

VOTE: Bruinneis

[makara]

I don't get the wagon on Brunneis. What are people finding scummy about them?

[makara]

I’m not going after Errant for going after a scummy looking player, but I am going after him for the way he did it and his motivations behind it.

@Trivium – how is doing a reaction test scummy? Explain.

Trivium - can you respond to this. What did you find scummy in particular about my reaction test?

[makara]

Okay, so you are Taly?
What a reinforcement of my previous scumread on you!

I am more interested in finding the best association lynch today, so Trivium is not really that interesting.

Yes he is. He and Goodmorning are the droids you're looking for.

Klingoncelt

Is there anything else that you find scummy about goodmorning or is this purely associative?

[goodmorning]

Yes he is. He and Goodmorning are the droids you're looking for.

You should get Taly to respond to my responses instead of taking passive-aggressive shots, possibly.

Found it!
Warning: ridiculous amounts of anger ahead!

I read that game when I was new here. It was a nightmare.

It remains one of the worst games I've ever been a part of.

I just don't see scum goodmorning saying that scum Trivium's posts don't look forced.

tbh if they don't then they don't; I'd say it as any alignment regardless of Trivium's.

--
idk how I feel about Gray rn.

I don't get the wagon on Brunneis. What are people finding scummy about them?

Everything.

Also if they flip Scum that post looks bad.

[The Fire Hermit]

Duppin and Vedith have yet to post

[Quaroath]

Vote Count 1.3

Olly olly oxenfree
Who can the scum be?
Maybe you and maybe me?
We’ll just have to wait and see!

Errantparabola - (3) Ranger, Makara, Trivium
Brunneis – (3) MaxwellPuckett, GrayFoxxxx, The Fire Hermit

Trivium - (2), Varsoon, Brunneis
Goodmorning – (1) Ika Musume
MaxwellPuckett - (1) Vedith

Not Voting – (3) duppin, Errantparabola, goodmorning.

Duppin has notified me he is V/LA until the 20th via PM.

Ika Musume has been prodded.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-10-25 23:59:59)

[ika]

Sigh I'm out and mobile I'll be back tommorw

[Trivium]

I’m not going after Errant for going after a scummy looking player, but I am going after him for the way he did it and his motivations behind it.

@Trivium – how is doing a reaction test scummy? Explain.

Trivium - can you respond to this. What did you find scummy in particular about my reaction test?

I thought I already responded to this, but ok. I said that doing a reaction test vote was scummy because at the time I didn't understand what the townie motivation for it was, because it seemed to me like a tool scum would use more often than town. Think about it- scum could put a vote on anyone for any scum motivated reason and put it under the guise of a "reaction test". I now understand that it may be a useful tool for town trying to genuinely scumhunt, but I think town would be more likely to reaction test vote someone if they want to determine whether a scumread they had was correct or not based on whether whatever point they had on their opinion of someone else being scum correlated with their reaction to the vote. Your "reaction test vote" was the eleventh post, and I highly doubt you already had a scumread on ranger. And even after the vote, you said you thought Errantparabola's reaction to the vote was scummy and didn't say anything about what you thought of the reaction vote test's target- Ranger. So if we are going to be digging up random stuff from post 11, answer me these two questions, Makara- what do you think of Ranger's reaction to your vote and why did you try to go for a reaction test vote when you didn't have a formulated scum read yet. Seems like scum trying to seem like they are a working, scumhunting town trying to move the game along, when really you didn't say that much about what the reaction test actually did. (and in response to what you said you got out of your reaction test, I think Errant probably just recognized that your vote was a reaction test and thought that the test was scummy for the same reasons as I do. Here is him justifying his vote on you with reasonable logic-

Basically, the idea is to do X action, so that people react. You expect them to react like Y or Z. You think Y is more like what Town would do, and Z is more like what Scum would do. Then it gives you a good foundation to start reading people from.

Now, I have seen people try to duck out of scummy actions by screaming "REACTION TEST!"
But makara's initial action wasn't scummy and your characterisation of it thus doesn't fill me with confidence.

Yes, I can see that. I think where I was deviating from you is my train of thought, which went a bit something like this.

- I thought that Ranger's vote was just to put pressure on makara by saying that the vote might be serious.
- I took makara's omgus serious vote at face value.
- I thought that a serious vote in response to a pressure vote was an overreaction.

I think it makes sense that I would think that the reaction test was backtracking considering I thought makaras vote was odd in the first place. I also think it would make sense that I was suspicious of the reaction test claim as a whole was bad play. The reason being:

- I thought that the overreaction was scummy.
- I thought that acting scummy and then saying that it was a reaction test is essentially an excuse for acting scummy.

I think it was YOU trying to vote for the player you could pawn off as looking scummy and make yourself look town. That also explains why you are asking me right now about what I think about your actions.

[Ika Musume]

pie head here. my major priority game-wise just ended and i'm free tomorrow, so i should be able to

catch up

take over the world then.

[Ika Musume]

on this page alone, i see someone arguing scum wouldn't hard defend each other d1 in a game of this size. to that, i have to say:

Spoiler:

[Vedith]

Prodge - I'm here!
Catch up shortly

[makara]

The test was scummy because I didn't have a scumread? How does that make any sense? The point of the reaction test was to get scumreads. I don't understand your logic.

[goodmorning]

We only have a week.
There's way too much fluff.
People aren't doing enough
To find the Scum we seek.

@Trivium: Reaction tests aren't usually meant to confirm what you already know though. They're meant to gain reads, not strengthen them. And if someone says a vote was a reaction test and you don't believe them, you just ask what Town's reaction would be and what Scum's reaction would be. If they can't say, then you know that it wasn't a very good reaction test and that implies a level of scumminess.

[Vedith]

Reaction tests are so pointless... It's so easy to dodge them and it normally just trips up town.

[goodmorning]

The good ones are the ones no-one notices, and anyway there are plenty enough newer players in this game that the feasibility goes way up.

[GrayFoxxxx]

The good ones are the ones no-one notices, and anyway there are plenty enough newer players in this game that the feasibility goes way up.

Yea except lately players announce what they are doing right away. Or before they even start the reaction test. It's kind of pointless in that aspect.

[Errantparabola]

That also explains why you are asking me right now about what I think about your actions.

i do not remember doing this

[Trivium]

That last couple of sentences was directed towards makara. And about whether a townie is more likely to use reaction votes for strengthening or gaining scumreads- my opinion is that it is more likely for townie to do it for the former, and my opinion will change throughout games I play, and not because someone told me I was wrong. So to me, makaras vote was scummy, so everyone is just going to have to deal with that.

[Trivium]

So basically im saying that even if your reaction vote wasn't objectively scummy, it was subjectively scummy to me. Also, please answer my questions makara.

[goodmorning]

That last couple of sentences was directed towards makara. And about whether a townie is more likely to use reaction votes for strengthening or gaining scumreads- my opinion is that it is more likely for townie to do it for the former, and my opinion will change throughout games I play, and not because someone told me I was wrong. So to me, makaras vote was scummy, so everyone is just going to have to deal with that.

If you think about it for a minute I think you'll realise that Scum have a harder time coming up with reasons to suspect people than Town do, and that Town have a harder time deciding who to trust than Scum do.

But you're under no obligation to agree with me.

[The Fire Hermit]

Makaras jabs at Trivium are really just evidence for the friction being put forward on a Brunneis lynch.

[The Fire Hermit]

Can we make my life easier and allow hydra slipping?