Mini 1727: Legends of the Hidden Temple II - Game Over!

[Suzune]

How posts break the water affect the flow, when you are trying hard to spin something the flow of the game changes.

[Elbirn]

Titus 1552 failed to note her (titus) pushing every counter wagon to vedith.

Which was something I noted earlier. I mean I couldn't expect her to note that, but just putting that out there.

*burps, scratches self*

Hey dav tell me about town vyse?

[Titus]

How posts break the water affect the flow, when you are trying hard to spin something the flow of the game changes.

Huh? *scratches head*

[Titus]

Titus 1552 failed to note her (titus) pushing every counter wagon to vedith.

Which was something I noted earlier. I mean I couldn't expect her to note that, but just putting that out there.

*burps, scratches self*

Hey dav tell me about town vyse?

My VCA always supposes me town.

[Suzune]

How posts break the water affect the flow, when you are trying hard to spin something the flow of the game changes.

Huh? *scratches head*

Hard to explain I guess. Um, let me try again. When I am trying to deceive someone into believing something, I will try many different angles in order to see what seems most effective. When I am checking to see if someone is trying to deceive me, I look about it through a similar route. yeah....okay that was probably a worse description. I guess, I see the game the way I see the game.

[Suzune]

Anyone else wonder if Titus is scum, or is it just me?

[Elbirn]

Titus 1552 failed to note her (titus) pushing every counter wagon to vedith.

Which was something I noted earlier. I mean I couldn't expect her to note that, but just putting that out there.

*burps, scratches self*

Hey dav tell me about town vyse?

My VCA always supposes me town.

.......well I would certainly hope so?

[Elbirn]

Vyse and titus are the last two scum, gg.

[Firebringer]

Whats current votes on vyse?
Lets get them lynched!!!

[Elbirn]

Whats current votes on vyse?
Lets get them lynched!!!

2 votes for vyse (you and I are the voters)

4 votes to lynch

[Haschel Cedricson]

The pool of players eligible to be lynched today consists of:

Elbirn
Titus

VysePresident
BBmolla

Here are the current votes:

VysePresident (2)

: Elbirn, Firebringer

Elbirn (1)

: Titus,

Not Voting (4) - BBmolla, Davsto, Suzune, VysePresident

With 7 players alive, it will take 4 votes to lynch.

[Suzune]

If Vyse is scum it comes only from his need to tell people that they are reading him wrong and his need to tell us how town he is all the time. At some point, if you are going to be town at least do towny things. Plus he was very swingy on the votes, voting on the train and later unvoting them for a silly reason.

However, I worry he is not scum, just rather not playing to his full potential.

[Suzune]

Or I guess, paranoia time, that we are choosing such easy lynch targets that they cannot possibly be scum.

[VysePresident]

Reading now, will answer any question thrown at me as best I can. Read wall to come at the end of finishing my notes.

[VysePresident]

If Vyse is scum it comes only from his need to tell people that they are reading him wrong and his need to tell us how town he is all the time. At some point, if you are going to be town at least do towny things. Plus he was very swingy on the votes, voting on the train and later unvoting them for a silly reason.

However, I worry he is not scum, just rather not playing to his full potential.

Suz, remember in McNinja Mafia, when I screwed up my read on Blankface, and kinda faded back? There were some IRL issues then as well, actually. I feel a little similar with this game - not nearly as bad, but stuff just kept happening, and I don't feel like I've done a very good job. It's just how I play.

As for my self-defense, I'll just let you look at this ISO from this game, and let you decide if I'm being scummy. I've pretty much resolved to avoid using AtE on that level, (and preferably never fight that freaking hard again. I literally stayed up five nights running to fight a lynch. ) but the basic point stands. (Last post in the thread has alignment & roles.)

It's not a great solution, but I find that hitting the flaws in people's arguments repeatedly is about the 2nd best alternate to a temper tantrum, which I personally dislike. (I dislike heavy AtE anyway, but as you may have noticed, I have a few issues with depression that have come out during a game once. I especially prefer to avoid that.)

It's also much easier to defend myself when I'm having trouble getting back into a game. This post took three minutes, including digging up the links. It's just a start, and I've already asked the mod to replace me if I don't post again 12 hours from now, just to keep things from stalling. I'll make the call myself if I don't have something serious by tonight. (Which is the same deal I made earlier, before my frickin' internet died like an idiot.)

[VysePresident]

If Vyse is scum it comes only from his need to tell people that they are reading him wrong and his need to tell us how town he is all the time. At some point, if you are going to be town at least do towny things. Plus he was very swingy on the votes, voting on the train and later unvoting them for a silly reason.

However, I worry he is not scum, just rather not playing to his full potential.

I'm curious what you mean by voting on the train then unvoting for silly reasons? How do I seem particularly swingy, in a scummy way?

Talk with me, Suz.

[VysePresident]

Elbirn, you of all people should know about how freaking slow I am. Heck you & Grapes were talking about defending you by pushing to wagon me last game.

What's different now?

[Suzune]

You know my stance on meta, there is no way I am going to read that to make a comparison.

This I dislike. I need you to stand in judgement of the case that is currently on you. I cannot stand that you vouch for yourself using outside evidence. Ah, drives me crazy. I am looking only at your current situation. To tell you the truth no I do not remember the McNinja game, I played so terribly and I allowed myself to get so worked up about the that tunnel on me. So yes, I would go on it later games to learn to overcome the panic that I associate with it. So I apologize but I do not recall.

however in this game. You vote Vedith when the train is not yet taken off in 413, then when there are there would be six people on the train you get off in order to think 565. Then you switch to Molla because of your inability to read them after looking over the meta from another game. Then you voted Kaito because you were Sheeping Molla, who you tried to get lynched on day one. Then unvoted because someone asked you to. However, you never got back on before the hammer. Then did not vote again until the metal sonic fiasco. However, you get a pass for that one because you previously expressed interest in that lynch. You are on and off again trains. You were not on any scum trains and only on the trains for the townies.

Actually your entire vote on Molla has been interesting to follow. Would never have noticed had I not been making that list about your votes.

[Titus]

@Suzune, That may be a townbeard profile. I don't see why Vyse votes Vedith if he's scum there. That's my biggest issue with Vyse. I saw once a guy who sided with scum 8 times. He was town.

Talk to me about Elbrin. I see his behavior as very opportunistic after largely sitting on the sidelines; which is exactly the problem with Vyse.

[Firebringer]

Now I am starting to think the pair is also Titus and Vyse....
I am going back into paranoid mode....

[Titus]

Anyone else wonder if Titus is scum, or is it just me?

Nope. It gets thrown around when I question the consensus crap every town game. *shrug*

[VysePresident]

P-Edit: Oh lovely. Whatever.

@Titus - Like, it's weird to me that you have me at 'weak scum', and are defending me, Titus. Explain please? :/

@Suz - I can't help but feel you're dismissing me like you did last game. You're always nice, but it's like talking to a stone wall sometimes. You don't seem to listen & consider what I'm saying. :/

[Suzune]

Well he unvotes Vedith to think. By unvoting he freed up a slot on Vedith train and it allowed for the growth of the second on against Molla. Typically dueling trains on day one means one is scum correct?

p-edit- I'm not dismissing you. I would just rather you use the data provided in this game to save yourself.

[Titus]

@Vyse, Crap logic is crap. I am looking for the truth. I got my own issues with you, but just because I think you're scum doesn't mean I put up with bad logic. Bad logic is usually where scum pushes mislynches or busses.

[Firebringer]

Titus, lets have a paranoid battle.
Whoever is more paranoid wins.