Mini 1733: Jurassic Monkey - game over

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

Spoiler:

archmage you know syn is innocent child

Syndesis:

Seems to be tunnelling Diego a bit. I'd have to throw a light town-reading, nothing really suspicious that I saw.

lol hahah-

archmage you know syn is innocent child

dammit you beat me-

Syndesis:

Seems to be tunnelling Diego a bit. I'd have to throw a light town-reading, nothing really suspicious that I saw.

Townslip or nah?

>:|

You bring up a good point. I doubt mafia would

truly

be unaware of my conftownness (having, presumably, pregame chat?) but this is an easy to fake "slip", so I'd so no.

Oh. Right. Sorry. Knowing that there's an Innocent Child in the game, I probably ought to have checked who that was. I feel like the biggest idiot in the world.

Spoiler:

Archmage's last post was a gigantic wall of IIoA, and I really have a hard time believing a townie would think that was useful.
Pistachi0n is also likely scum. She's very noticeably more reactive as scum and more proactive as town, and I've seen no proactive out of her.

Hi AA :D Nice to play with you again!

I do agree that it is mostly IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis), but do you think that IIoA is a scumtell in this instance?

In this instance yes. I doubt a townie would feel the need to say things like "3dice posts quotes a lot" or "Davsto is modding the game I'm in" or "pistachi0n has three posts" in a reads list, when those things don't contribute to a read. It comes off like he's trying to say things that he thinks will appear helpful, rather than things that actually helped him.

I was trying to be humorous with the Davsto thing. I was just under the impression that people wanted to know what my reads were, so I listed all the information and put down what few ideas I had.

Uck. I cause more problems than good in real life, why should it be any different anywhere else?

[Davsto]

Uck. I cause more problems than good in real life, why should it be any different anywhere else?

[Wanderer-nl]

Uck. I cause more problems than good in real life, why should it be any different anywhere else?

Hey now don't be like that. I already got the monopoly on depression overhere. (also *hugs*)

I'm getting the same feeling about your readslist as some of the others. It looks like a lot but in the end it isn't really going anywhere.

I missed a question of [ICE], post #87 "@Archmage: what do you plan to do to start gaining reads of people? You seem to be trying VERY hard to not have any right now."

Response: I really don't have a plan walking into this. I'm a slow person, thick-headed and meaningless. I don't like condemning people without feeling like I have a reason.

That's really easy to say if you don't want to make your reads more definite. You have some ideas in your readslist at least, if you're town what can you do to make your thoughts/ideas stronger? Right now it feels like you're trying to avoid confrontation. Is that something you do as either alignment?


TIP: Select the text you want to quote, then hit the 'quote' button, and the replybox will only hold the text you selected. Even easier than having to snip. You can ctrl-c and ctrl-v to get all the quotes in one post eventually. And use preview to make sure it's all nice and decent.
ICE: can we now stop worrying about the quotings?

[Firebringer]

Hey Wanderer what you thinking of everyone so far?

[Scorpious]

I'm trying a more relaxed playstyle in this game, so will leave my vote unti there's more evidence than a vibe.

is being more relaxed something you have to try harder at for any specific reason? Why wouldn't you be relaxed if you had nothing to hide?

I read Mafiascum quite a bit. Less stressful than playing.

Again. I know this was asked by Fire,but how is playing the game stressful. I have a few ideas in mind but I'd like you to elaborate please..

[Scorpious]

@Archmage,

Do you always use post counts to help formulate reads?

I have to say 146 looks really forced. You don't really say a lot. Am I scummy based on my slow start here?

[Wanderer-nl]

Hey Wanderer what you thinking of everyone so far?

I'm glad nobody is hyper-active, that's for sure. Though some people would look better if they picked up on theirs, yours truly included.
Not a lot has changed since my 120 and I'm not ready yet to go over the entire playerlist for reads. Still liking you for town, ICE is doing ok as well, and so far I like where All Alone is going and I know their style is to only post when they have something to say, which I like, but I would like for them to post more as well.
Obvously I'm scumreading Archmage right now, and Diego isn't looking all too fresh either. Everybody else is either null or slipped my mind.

[ICEninja]

Garmr, I have some homework for you. Go back and re-read my original point against you in 141. Notice that I say you have exactly one post of content that doesn't involve me or my vote on you, and I state which one it is. You then get really upset, and I then clarify my point. You respond in 169.

I'm glad that we both are now in complete agreement in my case against you.

also fluff posts not a site wide scum tell anymore ice because of people like me fluff posting all the time as town it's now a individual scum tell than a general one.

Fluff posts by themselves are not scummy. That being said, fluff posts while avoiding posting actual content IS scummy.

I'm glad you've finally realized how little you've mentioned anything else. Since my original point on you, the content you've posted that doesn't involve me includes exactly 3 things: 1) Your old weak meta town read on Fire, 2) Your meta null-read of pistachi0n (it's debatable if this is content), and 3) Pointing out once again the IC (also not precisely content but I'm giving it to you).

Tunneling is not inherently scummy but ho boy have you done a great job ignoring the rest of the game.

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ICE: can we now stop worrying about the quotings?

So long as they stop being an issue, absolutely.

Diego is my primary, and only, scumread.

While I like the scum read, I dislike how little you've posted, how you say you'll catch up, then you drop 1 strong scum read and 2 weak scum reads with essentially meta as your entire case.

Convince me to vote for your scum read.

[Scorpious]

I'm voting you because of the intent behind your aggression, which is to throw shit at the wall a see what sticks. That is scum indicative.

I don't necessarily disagree with this line of thinking.

Diego looks like an easy mislynch target for scum at this point in the game..

[Scorpious]

Looking at Garmr in isolation, there is only 1 piece of actual contribution of content in his 18 posts that isn't directly about me or my vote on him, and that one piece was a meta town read on Fire.

I read it..

In fairness to Garmr. Who have you reference other than him and 3Dice since page 5?

[3dicerolling]

Obvously I'm scumreading Archmage right now, and Diego isn't looking all too fresh either. Everybody else is either null or slipped my mind.

Do have a particular reason in mind for scumreading archmage? If so could you elaborate?

[Scorpious]

I'm glad you've finally realized how little you've mentioned anything else. Since my original point on you, the content you've posted that doesn't involve me includes exactly 3 things: 1) Your old weak meta town read on Fire, 2) Your meta null-read of pistachi0n (it's debatable if this is content), and 3) Pointing out once again the IC (also not precisely content but I'm giving it to you).Tunneling is not inherently scummy but ho boy have you done a great job ignoring the rest of the game.

sorry for 2 posts..

But,are you not doing the same thing you are accusing him of?

[3dicerolling]

@scorpious - Glad you're here now. Is there any particular reason you don't have a vote out?

[Scorpious]

@scorpious - Glad you're here now. Is there any particular reason you don't have a vote out?

I'd like a few of my questions answered before I feel comfortable with a vote. Since I essentially missed RVS,I'd like it to be meaningful.. just just so I have one out.

[ICEninja]

Also, I approve of an Archmage wagon building up. It'll be clear why once there's more content to look at.

PEDIT:

In fairness to Garmr. Who have you reference other than him and 3Dice since page 5?

are you not doing the same thing you are accusing him of?

Post 166 updates my reads of several players. Also, you're asking for 2 and a half pages worth when I'm referring to Garmr's 7 and a half pages worth, and I've still provided more content relating to other things in said time frame.

[3dicerolling]

@scorpious - Glad you're here now. Is there any particular reason you don't have a vote out?

I'd like a few of my questions answered before I feel comfortable with a vote. Since I essentially missed RVS,I'd like it to be meaningful.. just just so I have one out.

Okay that's fair. I just want to see more action and votes because some people are lackluster right now.

[Scorpious]

Post 166 updates my reads of several players. Also, you're asking for 2 and a half pages worth when I'm referring to Garmr's 7 and a half pages worth, and I've still provided more content relating to other things in said time frame.

Fair,but surely you can point out a scummy behavior that doesn't resemble something you have done,even if you have done it to a much lesser extent.

[Firebringer]

I don't like it when too many people are agreeing on a wagon.
Usually indicates I am on the wrong side of this >.>

[ICEninja]

Mod, we've got a single vote count and it's page 8. Can we increase the frequency of vote counts?

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

@Archmage,

Do you always use post counts to help formulate reads?

I have to say 146 looks really forced. You don't really say a lot. Am I scummy based on my slow start here?

Post 146

was

really forced, to be honest. I really wanted to contribute something, and I felt like if I went through all the ISOs I might find something. In the end, though, there wasn't anything really conclusive.

Post counts are something that I tend to bring up in the early game, but I don't think it's a scum tell. More of just a thing of note. I like aggregating information in places, and then I only tend to act when my information and suspicions reach a critical mass.

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I'm getting the same feeling about your readslist as some of the others. It looks like a lot but in the end it isn't really going anywhere.

Agreed. I'm not proud of my readlist.

I really don't have a plan walking into this. I'm a slow person, thick-headed and meaningless. I don't like condemning people without feeling like I have a reason.

That's really easy to say if you don't want to make your reads more definite. You have some ideas in your readslist at least, if you're town what can you do to make your thoughts/ideas stronger? Right now it feels like you're trying to avoid confrontation. Is that something you do as either alignment?

I suppose you could say I'm trying to avoid confrontation. I don't like it when things get emotional, and I don't have the experience or intuition that makes me willing to trust my "gut" feelings to someone's scumminess. I try to keep things pared down and logical when I make decisions, and I really don't like voting until I'm certain of my target. I'm prone to tunneling when I find someone who I think is scum, so I try to back off quickly in case I'm missing the whole picture. I... really don't know how I should be developing my reads without it seeming broken and based solely on the work of others. What I've always done is wait until I see something really contradictory, differences between claims and realities. Based off of that mistake, I construct sets of possibilities—it could be set that the greatest flaw in my scumhunting style is that I try to understand the entirety of the game rather than to pick apart the individual opponents. Or something. I also really don't like being wrong, so I rarely fully commit to anything.

If I were force myself to commit to a vote, right this instant, I would say...

Davsto is the most likely scum. They've been staying active in the game, but posting little to no actual content. There is clear evidence that they are active enough to contribute, but they have not contributed to activity in any significant way. Active-lurking, in my opinion, is incredibly scummy.

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@ICEninja, why will the reasons for my scumminess become more clear as more content arises? Why can't they become clear right now?

[Firebringer]

I don't know, ICE seems odd to me no matter how I look at it.
He is try hard town, but that doesn't mean he is town.

[MonkeyMan576]

The Archmage Ludicrous (3) All Alone, Wanderer-nl, Firebringer
IceNinja (2) Diego1487, Garmr
Diego1487 (2) Syndesis, MarioManiac4
Firebringer (1) 3dicerolling
Garmr (1) ICEninja
MarioManiac4(1) pistachi0n

Not Voting(3): Davsto, Scorpious, The Archmage Ludicrous

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is in 11 days.

[Syndesis]

@Mod(s): Do mafia get to speak pregame?

(actual post coming eventually)

[MonkeyMan576]

@Mod(s): Do mafia get to speak pregame?

(actual post coming eventually)

I am not answering this question, the only questions I will answer is if thete is a mod error or if something is not clear in the rules.

[Syndesis]

...okay then...I guess it's time to dig through archived games!