Mini 1733: Jurassic Monkey - game over

[Syndesis]

Consider Scorpius ad 3dice as suspicious.

Why?

[Firebringer]

...okay then...I guess it's time to dig through archived games!

I don't believe that is considered a normal mechanic.
It would be announced if it was in the game.

Monkeyman is trolling us I believe.

[Syndesis]

...okay then...I guess it's time to dig through archived games!

I don't believe that is considered a normal mechanic.
It would be announced if it was in the game.

Monkeyman is trolling us I believe.

.-.

[Wanderer-nl]

I don't know, ICE seems odd to me no matter how I look at it.
He is try hard town, but that doesn't mean he is town.

Does it mean he is scum then? Can you elaborate a bit more on this?

@Archmage: you seem to have a pretty clear opinion of who you want to vote. Why didn't you make an actual vote?

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

I felt like voting for Davsto without giving him an opportunity to respond would be foul play on my part.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not trolling, I've been accused of being over-involved in previous games I've modded so I am going to let the players play this one out.

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

So essentially, you want to avoid being accused of...

Monkeying around?

[Syndesis]

So Archmage! How do you feel about...

-Scorpious, now that he's posted something?
-All Alone's push on you?
-3dice suggesting that you not knowing I was IC was a townslip?

Additionally, do you think the exchanges between Ice and Fire and Garmr have left any indicators of their respective alignments?

[Firebringer]

Does it mean he is scum then? Can you elaborate a bit more on this?

@Archmage: you seem to have a pretty clear opinion of who you want to vote. Why didn't you make an actual vote?

I have no idea so far.

What do you think about him?

He says he wants to provide content and he has, but that I don't think excuses all his behavior, nor do I really want to give him town cred for it.

[Syndesis]

...okay then...I guess it's time to dig through archived games!

I don't believe that is considered a normal mechanic.
It would be announced if it was in the game.

Monkeyman is trolling us I believe.

Hey Fire! I believe you may have misinterpreted my post?

[Firebringer]

Hey fire!

I like the things you do.

Hey Fire

If I could be you.

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

So Archmage! How do you feel about...

-Scorpious, now that he's posted something?
-All Alone's push on you?
-3dice suggesting that you not knowing I was IC was a townslip?

Additionally, do you think the exchanges between Ice and Fire and Garmr have left any indicators of their respective alignments?

1. I get a town-ish vibe from him. He's asked questions, which is good.

2. I think All Alone has tunnel vision, and I don't like that he's been active enough to post about how I'm suspicious, but to say absolutely nothing about anyone else. I don't think well of him, but there isn't enough in my mind to call him scummy. I'm probably not the best person to ask, because a person who has a vote on you innately seems more suspicious, which gives me a bias.

3. Objectively? I don't think it's a townslip. I think that it was more a display of my individual lack of thought than any town-minded or scum-minded activity. I would have likely made the same mistake if I were scum.

4. I haven't really factored in Fire into the whole thing, but I did give ICE and Garmr previous thought. I think that the degree to which they are tunneling each other suggests pretty heavily that they aren't a scum pair, but I wouldn't rule it out. Crazier things have happened. Taking a gander at the whole deal, I suppose that you could come to the conclusion that Fire is scum-buddy with Garmr for going against ICE but sticking with Garmr... but that seems a bit obvious. I wouldn't do that as scum under any circumstance. More likely, I think Fire internally drew the same conclusion that I did—Garmr and ICE are highly unlikely to be scum-buddies—and then further came to the conclusion that ICE was scum. In his mind, by process of deduction, Garmr is town.
I think it's likely enough that Garmr and ICE are both town at this point, although I would favor ICE as town over Garmr.

[Firebringer]

I can't follow 4 at all.

Just not going to even try rereading it.

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

@Firebringer

"I don't think ICE and Garmr are scum-buddies. I think it's possible to draw the conclusion that Fire and Garmr are scumbuddies, but it seems a bit too obvious for that to actually be the case (since them damn mafiosi are sneaky). I think Fire thought that ICE was scum, and figured that first bit out in his head, then concluded that Garmr was town. I disagree with Fire."

FTFM(yself)

[Firebringer]

I have yet to decide if ICE is scum, though I did decide Garmr is town.
And I don't use their two interactions alone to decide that.
In fact that is one of the least considerations I have used to try figuring out ICE.

Not everything is about two players interactions >.>

[Garmr]

I want to set up a town block this game with fire being the only one i trust so far.

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

I have yet to decide if ICE is scum, though I did decide Garmr is town.
And I don't use their two interactions alone to decide that.
In fact that is one of the least considerations I have used to try figuring out ICE.

Not everything is about two players interactions >.>

Agreed. But, I was specifically asked about the interactions of three players, so my response was on that topic. At the time, you did consider ICE scum, as presumably voting for ICE means that you consider them to be scum.

I (in my non-simplified version) said that the interactions between ICE and Garmr "suggested heavily" that they weren't scum buddies, but I never said that it wasn't possible—I explicitly noted that I wouldn't rule it out.

As to my presumption of your actions, you'll have to forgive me for some inaccuracy in that department. I'm not psychic, despite how often I try to understand what people are thinking.

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

I want to set up a town block this game with fire being the only one i trust so far.

eye twitch

I don't suppose you mean, bloc, do you? Block and bloc are two incredibly different things. Blocs are for groups that vote together. Blocks are put in the way of progress (although, I guess you could say that some blocs are, too).

In any case, I don't think setting up voting blocs are a great idea in a game of mafia. I can see potential positives, but I don't think that outweighs the possibility for discouraging original thought. And that's not even taking into account the fact that a voting bloc could be made partially or entirely of mafiosi. I guess I can't

stop

you and Fire from forming a voting bloc, but I wouldn't agree with it.

[Syndesis]

Yay! Good content from Archmage! Yay! Unfortunately I don't have the brain cells to analyze that as of right now, but yay!

Hey fire!

I like the things you do.

Hey Fire

If I could be you.

gr8 answer m8

I'm...trying to decide if you're trolling, seriously believed what you said, or are up to shenanigans. (@201)

[ICEninja]

@ICEninja, why will the reasons for my scumminess become more clear as more content arises? Why can't they become clear right now?

Patience. My statement, which you read hastily, will become clear.

Syndesis, every game that I've been scum I've had access to the quicktopic before D1 starts. Assuming with near certainty that scum had a chance to talk before the game started.

Archmage's biggest scum read is based on "active lurking", where one attempts to force content despite not actually having much.

Hmm.

[Garmr]

I want to set up a town block this game with fire being the only one i trust so far.

eye twitch

I don't suppose you mean, bloc, do you? Block and bloc are two incredibly different things. Blocs are for groups that vote together. Blocks are put in the way of progress (although, I guess you could say that some blocs are, too).

In any case, I don't think setting up voting blocs are a great idea in a game of mafia. I can see potential positives, but I don't think that outweighs the possibility for discouraging original thought. And that's not even taking into account the fact that a voting bloc could be made partially or entirely of mafiosi. I guess I can't

stop

you and Fire from forming a voting bloc, but I wouldn't agree with it.

There's nothing to worry about. If fire is town which I think he is then it forces scum to deal with us some how and if he is scum then he would probably want to stay in my good graces giving me a little bit of control over him thus his less likely to hurt town.

[MarioManiac4]

I want to set up a town block this game with fire being the only one i trust so far.

Why?
Forced townblocs always seem to come from scum who want to be in a townbloc.
VOTE: Garmr

@Syndesis; Scorp is gut. 3dice seems to be talking way too much for what little she's saying. Diego, at the end of Open 609, explained he used manipulation as scum. His vote looked like appealing to the crowd.

[Garmr]

bad logic mario.

[All Alone]

Oh. Right. Sorry. Knowing that there's an Innocent Child in the game, I probably ought to have checked who that was. I feel like the biggest idiot in the world.

I was trying to be humorous with the Davsto thing. I was just under the impression that people wanted to know what my reads were, so I listed all the information and put down what few ideas I had.

Uck. I cause more problems than good in real life, why should it be any different anywhere else?

Post 146

was

really forced, to be honest. I really wanted to contribute something, and I felt like if I went through all the ISOs I might find something. In the end, though, there wasn't anything really conclusive.

Agreed. I'm not proud of my readlist.

I actually think this reaction is an indication that Archmage is town. If he genuinely wanted to be helpful with his readlist, but then everyone ganged up on him and called his readlist unhelpful, IIoA, scummy, etc., it makes sense that he'd be down about it like this. Whereas if he was scum and only made the readlist because he wanted to

appear

like he was helpful, I doubt he'd so readily admit that he hadn't been helpful.

Right now I'd say my biggest suspects are pistachi0n and 3dicerolling. In the game where pistachi0n and I were scumbuddies, she put a lot less effort into "figuring the game out" than she does when she's town and actually needs to figure the game out. This game feels like the former. 3dicerolling has been voting Firebringer since page 2, yet has made very little effort since then to sort him or push him. This reads more like they're scum trying to vote park than town trying to move the game forward.

VOTE: pistachi0n

[Garmr]

I don't really like 3dice rolling at the moment. Something about him makes me feel like his scum. The fact that his parking his vote on fire yet yet hasn't really pushed fire or expanded on his fire vote is really bad. The only interaction after the fire vote was sparked when fire chastised ice for being dumb. 3dice twisted it around to make it look like fire was pushing ice. Then just stats that stupidity is a scum trait as well as town trait after. Which is kinda weird since those two post put together feels like he wants fire to push ice.

But other than the fire thing it feels like most of his posts are throw away statements. When he does question me through this statement comes off as trying to paint me with a scummy brush

No, I read it correctly. I was hoping you'd unvote or attack me in another way in order to attempt to cement your vote but alas you're more likely town based on that response alone.

Unvote

.

Garmr seemed excited that he knew who would be confirmed town.

Maybe that excitement came from already having a solid N1 target?

Vote Garmr

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Ice I was excited because I got actually play instead of not being able to which was looking like the case before. I don't like the bolded comment here it seems like your hunting for a power role this early. Town roles may target the innocent child as well and i think anyone would of thought of this. I feel like this is the wrong attitude to scum hunt for town so I draw the conclusion that your scum.

Looking back, this really makes no sense at all. If Ice was grasping at straws I the beginning, this is really grasping for something. I also feel like garmr is playing rather defensive.

But when I follow it up and ask why his not voting me when pushing . He then tries to discredit my read on ice but even after all are convosation he won't even mention a town or scum read. I even tried to provoke him into slipping a vote on me expecting him to take a stance either side. But he continued to remain passive.

Dude your taking everything ice at face value with out looking at intentions that's not a good way to scum hunt also no vote on me yet your pushing me whers the pressure

No, I'm looking at the true intentions of his post and not hard tunneling him, and I'm quite fine with where my vote is now.

Actually looking at it now he got involved with both me and ice yet didn't form a stance on either of us while being active and interacting with both of us is a big nono. Yet his quick to point out others who haven't commented on us.

I believe he put the statement infinitely more eloquently than I could. It's easier to quote and say "this is true" than it is to basically restate the entire thing.

Hi. Got anything to add?

Not really. It's page four. I often struggle to get much early on.

You don't have any opinion on fire or ninja?

VOTE: 3dice rolling.