Mini 1733: Jurassic Monkey - game over

[Wanderer-nl]

Just as an fyi: I'm about to head out to a cremation and after that I'm gonna get drunk and stoned. No idea how things will go but it could be a while before I get back. Also, I apologize in advance for any drunk spamming, I can't promise anything but I'll try my best to not.

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

@ICEninja, why will the reasons for my scumminess become more clear as more content arises? Why can't they become clear right now?

Patience. My statement, which you read hastily, will become clear.

Syndesis, every game that I've been scum I've had access to the quicktopic before D1 starts. Assuming with near certainty that scum had a chance to talk before the game started.

Archmage's biggest scum read is based on "active lurking", where one attempts to force content despite not actually having much.

Hmm.

...Really?

That feels unfair to me. I've been at least

trying,

if not to any effect. The reason I'm suspicious of Davsto is because nearly all of his content is explicitly non-content. As far as I can tell, Davsto is not exerting any effort in the game. That's what I meant by active-lurking.

If you want to take the piss on me for hypocrisy, go ahead, but at least be correct about it.

I don't like it when people say "All in due time, little ones. Have patience, patience!" If you don't have the evidence to say what you need to say, town doesn't say "It will come in due time, my pretties." They don't talk about it—because if it's a single piece of concrete evidence that they think is going to be revealed in the future, then talking about it tips off the scum, and the scum is less likely to show it. If their "future evidence" is the actions of that player in the future, then saying "all in due time" introduces themself to bias where they're going to cherry pick their evidence out of that player's future posts. Predicting that someone is going to be scummy in the future creates a need for them to produce that evidence, or else lose credibility, which means that the predicting player is encouraged to ignore the vast body of a persons' evidence and pull out only the bits that make a person look scummy. And if the evidence that you're telling us to be patient for

already exists,

then keeping that evidence from us is scummy as all hell.

Let's go over the possibilities:
1. It's a specific sort evidence that you suspect will be brought up (for whatever reason).
2. You don't have a clue what kind of evidence will be brought up, but you're sure it's gonna be good!
3. You already know, but you're just not telling.

People who like to hold the idea that they know something you don't make me upset in mafia. Your goal is to share the knowledge with the town to find the scum, not to get wrapped up in how it makes you better than everyone else. If you're really so certain you know why I'm scummy, or what I'm going to do that's scummy, or something that's happened that's scummy, then either

tell us

or

don't mention it.

[Garmr]

Just as an fyi: I'm about to head out to a cremation and after that I'm gonna get drunk and stoned. No idea how things will go but it could be a while before I get back. Also, I apologize in advance for any drunk spamming, I can't promise anything but I'll try my best to not.

Sorry for your loss of a friend/family/pet ect.

[Diego1487]

@ mod: Please replace me.

Sorry everyone...I have no motivation to participate in the game, and that's not fair to y'all.

[Firebringer]

Don't have anything to say right now.
This is definitely not Gamr scum game, I see some opportunism by the people trying to push him from forming a town block and its just sad.

Probably scum trying to discredit him.

[ICEninja]

...Really?

That feels unfair to me. I've been at least trying, if not to any effect. The reason I'm suspicious of Davsto is because nearly all of his content is explicitly non-content. As far as I can tell, Davsto is not exerting any effort in the game. That's what I meant by active-lurking.

I suppose you have a point here. The difference is you got pressured, though. Nobody has made as much of a push on Davsto to post content (memo to self) save for a few offhand remarks. You have made an effort though so there's that.

Also just an off topic friendly heads up, I only know what "take the piss on me" means because of Reddit. We don't have that phrase in America, and over here being pissed means being extremely angry. Using that phrase might cause you to be misunderstood which has the potential to be problematic here.

Let's go over the possibilities:
1. It's a specific sort evidence that you suspect will be brought up (for whatever reason).
2. You don't have a clue what kind of evidence will be brought up, but you're sure it's gonna be good!
3. You already know, but you're just not telling.

There's a 4th possibility, and it's that I have a really solid theory on something, but the theory needs to be tested before I can say anything conclusive. I've been trying to be more clever and tactical this game than I have been historically (where I would mostly just logically analyze what I saw to death).

Just as an fyi: I'm about to head out to a cremation

Take a day or three and collect yourself, we'll still be here when you get back. Best wishes.

@Fire, I'm not taking your word for it that Garmr is town just because you've played with town Garmr before. Unless you can show me a solid case that doesn't involve me reading full games of him (I don't do that unless absolutely necessary), possibly where he does something explicit as Garmr!town that Garmr!scum never does or vice versa, your meta read is meaningless to my read of Garmr. For all I know you two could be scum buddies.

And ugh, the replacements start. Let's hope his replacement is more interested in the game.

[MonkeyMan576]

Alchemist21 is replacing Diego1487.

[Davsto]

We don't have that phrase in America, and over here being pissed means being extremely angry.

This is how I'm aware of it as a Brit
pissed = drunk
pissed off = angry
taking the piss = being unreasonable
taking the piss out of = mocking, making fun of

[Firebringer]

IceNinja, I am not going to try to convince you, cause than I would have to lower myself to your standards of proof.

Read through Gamr and figure it out for yourself.

If you actually think scum buddies would openly buddy this early or at all like this, I have this to say for you:

[Firebringer]

Alchemist in the house!!!!!

Whats up bro?

[Alchemist21]

Hey guys!

P-edit: Yo! Good to see you again fire!

[ICEninja]

Alright so it's time we start paying a little attention to Davsto. He has 14 posts, that include the phrases "I often struggle to get much early on.", "I'll have a look in the morning, see if a fresh mindset makes a difference. Don't hold your breath.", and "I can be quite slow early game, sometimes.". Zero of these 14 posts include content.

Alright I get it if you can't exactly find scum from RVS and the high activity vote switching that tends to happen shortly after but we're on page 10, and you have 14 posts without activity. There is an absolute abundance of material to go on, and your litany of "I'm not helpful early game" quite fully succeeded in getting people to pretty much give you a pass early game to just not have any stances at all.

Let's have a guess which alignment this benefits more...

Garmr can wait.

Unvote, vote Davsto

.

PEDIT: I didn't say I think you are scum buddies. I said for all I know.

Also, you can now replace 14 posts with 15.

[Alchemist21]

Vote: Syndesis

for obvious reasons.

Alright so I like to start things off with a couple housekeeping things that I'd appreciate if people respond to. It may or may not help find scum, but it makes the game easier for me and possibly others to follow.

1) Is anyone in a non-American time zone, or for other reasons posts in odd hours?
2) Is anyone here brand new or otherwise unfamiliar with how the game is played here at mafiascum.net?
3) What kind of level of activity should we expect from you?

To respond to my own questions I live in Pacific time, but my sleep schedule has been awkward lately so I might post later than one would expect from a west coaster. I'm quite experienced (30ish games?) but haven't played in like a year and a half when my games kept getting ruined by site downtime. I have more free time than I should right now (thus coming back to Mafia!) and I'll likely be quite active.

1) East Coast US time zone
2) Plenty familiar
3) Varies, but generally a daily thing.

[Davsto]

Oh man, I'd love to hear an argument that I haven't heard a thousand times.

I'm often slow early game. You using that as an excuse to jump on my growing wagon does yourself no favours to the suspicions I already have, thanks.

[MarioManiac4]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.
Fire's "it's sad people are pushing on a forced townbloc" sounds like a scumbuddy defence and I am happy enough with my vote.

[ICEninja]

Whoa. Whoa. He has suspicions! And a 4th excuse for no content.

So if you've had suspicions why have you not posted about them?

[Davsto]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Whoa. Whoa. He has suspicions! And a 4th excuse for no content.

So if you've had suspicions why have you not posted about them?

Because I don't have the effort right now. I have to have food in a bit; I'll come back after that and enlighten you.

[Scorpious]

I was never a fan of MM4's Diego vote..Actually I'm not a fan of either of his non-RVS votes

Re: the vote on Diego.. Do you have anything on that slot other than a meta on a past game?

Re: the vote on Garmr..172 and 221. in 172 you read a few as scum and said everyone else is town. 221 you quoted one sentence from Garmr and voted him? What else other than that one sentence. Please tell us. I'd like to know your thought progression here..

[Alchemist21]

I can tell this is going to be a high-volume-post game.

Early readthrough reads that are more or less gut:

Town:
Fire
Garmr
Iceninja
Synd (obviously)
Wanderer

Scum:
3dice
Archmage
Davsto (maybe)

Anyone else I have no read on right now. I'll take another look at some of these slots later on to look at them from a more logical perspective, but for now I'm comfortable with this.

VOTE: 3dicerolling

[The Archmage Ludicrous]

I can tell this is going to be a high-volume-post game.

Anyone else I have no read on right now. I'll take another look at some of these slots later on to look at them from a more logical perspective, but for now I'm comfortable with this.

VOTE: 3dicerolling

Tell me more about your vote?

[3dicerolling]

Be ready (This means you Iceninja, and I do need these quotes) Large post incoming.

[MarioManiac4]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Link a completed game where I have read you right
Like I thought you were scum in Temple Guards mafia when spectating
Not worth the time

[MarioManiac4]

I was never a fan of MM4's Diego vote..Actually I'm not a fan of either of his non-RVS votes

Re: the vote on Diego.. Do you have anything on that slot other than a meta on a past game?

Re: the vote on Garmr..172 and 221. in 172 you read a few as scum and said everyone else is town. 221 you quoted one sentence from Garmr and voted him? What else other than that one sentence. Please tell us. I'd like to know your thought progression here..

A)- It's not meta. Try again.
B)- There's something called not really having any reads. I'm also pretty sure I said they can be town for now, not they're town forever?

[Scorpious]

A: This isn't meta? what is the vote based on then?

This is Diego straight out of Open 609.VOTE: Diego

B:I dodn't ask that. I asked what your thought progression was. So using your terms I'll simplify. What happened from 172-221 in your head that made Garmr scum?

[Davsto]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Link a completed game where I have read you right
Like I thought you were scum in Temple Guards mafia when spectating
Not worth the time

You got me right in my first newbie, and I think you had me as town during the short period you were alive during Flower Viewing Festival.