Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[Varsoon]

"I want to follow my heart. Whether it is right or wrong will be judged by history."

-Pahn,

Suikoden I

VOTECOUNT 1.07

LicketyQuickety (4):

Suzune, Ranger, Firekari, Titus

Titus (3):

Blackest Magick, wgeurts, Bright

Elbirn (2):

pistachi0n, BRantz

Blackest Magick (2):

Elbirn, Jeane11

Jeanne11 (1):

LicketyQuickety

Not Voting (2):

Klingoncelt, Reasonably Rational

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-11 18:55:00)

[Elbirn]

I feel the weather heating up. Did the seasons change? Might have to move up the timetable and change which two fruits to plant.

Elderberries aand....hm. apples perhaps?

[FireKari]

It's kinda creepy.


Anyway,
They're doing the Site Maintenance thing in half an hour, aren't they?

Fire doesn't keep track of things.

But before the world ends.

Just answer me this Klingon.
Are you not not scum?

-FIre

[Titus]

I feel the weather heating up. Did the seasons change? Might have to move up the timetable and change which two fruits to plant.

Elderberries aand....hm. apples perhaps?

Apples is good. Yet, elderberries are all the rage because I can't plant well.

Apples and ika palms?

[Klingoncelt]

But before the world ends.

Just answer me this Klingon.
Are you not not scum?

-FIre

We are Devo!




(No, I'm not Scum.)

[Elbirn]

I don't think ika palms are a good idea. If it has to be one of the 2, I'd go with elderberries.

[Titus]

Why you claim flavor? Wouldn't you be worried about scum finding your role?

[Titus]

I don't think ika palms are a good idea. If it has to be one of the 2, I'd go with elderberries.

Ok, then we'll hold off. Need your help to plant elderberries or I may get unexpected yields.

[wgeurts]

I'm free and doing this right now, expect me to have my head back in the fray soon.

[Jeanne11]

What about mulberries? Are they bad?

[wgeurts]

Well I've read up and the thread is truly filled with utter crap, though I can say I'm not convinced Titus is scum and I have drawn some reads/thoughts from the frey which I'll discuss in later posts.
UNVOTE:
I don't think LQ is scum either.

[Elbirn]

I don't think LQ is scum either.

But why? ;_;

[wgeurts]

I'll make a post on that, the whole gamestate feels weird to me and I'm lacking strong scum reads. Early game titus' play made me want to shoot her there and then however it's improved and the whole fruit titus/jeanne crap has fried my mind. Something's off but I can't figure out what, how jeanne went from titus saying she's icky to how it is now is beyond me and LQ doesn't seem to be the one we should be going after for reasons I'll explain in my next post.

Also, has nobody yet realised Bright isn't even on the playerlist? I suggest someone claims ownership otherwise we could lynch it. This wasn't a bastard game right?
Also titus could you explain the fruit thing? It's really confusing me.
Those posting too little need to do a little more.

[wgeurts]

Also Ranger, care to say what your mark does?
Are we now destined to be conf-town bro's and carry this game to victory?
Or am I doomed to some horrible and painful death?

[wgeurts]

Hey elibern, was your early game play to do with some game-mechanic related thing or was it some form of slayer's gambit (I think that's the right one).

[Titus]

Why did my play improve? Why did you want to shoot me so bad?

The fruit thing I am fine with the farm being semi-private. Just trust me that all will improve soon enough.

Bright cannot ruin the farm patch so not really down to lynch it. Lynching it tells us nothing about its owner and if scum get a new one, it's a waste.

Who is scum to you?

[wgeurts]

Titus' accusations of LQ rolefishing are pretty darn awful and they are the reasons I wouldn't of minded lynching her at that point. It really looked like her play in a currently ongoing game, making something of nothing much and heavily attacking it. I find LQ's reactions to her push fitting and seem to have a town mindset behind them. If he is being honest then I can completely understand the "what in heaven's name is happening" attitude you see in his posts. He also doesn't OMGUS titus which I'd predict a scum-LQ to do. The reason I think it's all not faked? He's a newer player (not a full out newb though) and I doubt he has acquired that level of skill yet.

I can also see a (as put in his own words) "gamesolvey" mentality in his posts, his pushes/reasons are not too bad and he's not just going with flow which I like.

I don't like you Scumreading me so early. You got a reason?

The majority of your posts have had this unnatural vibe about them. If I felt like explaining in detail greater than that right now, I would have done so already, but generally you'll find I'm a fairly lazy early-game player.

K, go ahead and vote me. I got nothing to hide.

despite him not realising he was already voting him I really like this post, I see my own earlier cocky play in it and it really screams town to me.

Why the heck have I been marked?
Reading up later once I'm not about to cycle 13k.

Wgeurts was the 3rd person to ask about the mark. They've been following people.

VOTE: wgeurts

This vote on me isn't too bad either, despite me actually not having read the thread at that point and just popping in after getting a PM saying I was marked. It's posts like these that make me believe he's trying to solve the game.

Hey, everyone, Titus said it herself, she gets angrier the more certain the probability of lynch is. Let's see if she's gonna start yelling if we lynch her scumbuddy Elbirn.

This is the worst fucking argument I've seen in this thread so far. But Jeanne11 can't be serious her. I still don't like it at all.

I'd really like it if Jeanne11 got some pressure on them, because these kinds of posts are shitty and I don't want to see Jeanne11 skate by with this kind of shit.

VOTE: Jeanne11

Also not a bad post showing what I explained earlier, I could grab a few more but I think you get my point by now.

I also like how he's not imploding despite being the leading wagon and so much pressure, this is a good sign especially with newer players who don't yet have such feigned confidence in their play. (He also doesn't seem to be too confident in his play either knowing his mafia discussion posts so really I'd expect to see him slowly breaking down by know if he's scum)

Pr-edit: now I'll get to you then titus

[Jeanne11]

@Titus Do you think mulberries need to be purged? Or can they be 100 % cultivated?

[Titus]

@Jeanne, Cultivate but never forget failsafe procedures.

@Wgerts, My accusations of LQ role fishing stand. A play that supposes dumb town (which you do on LQ) is several layers of ewww and white knight. Forgetting who is voting you is usually, but not always a scum indicator. Him not knowing AUA is pretty bad. Either he has no attention to relevant details or is scum.

[wgeurts]

So Titus, from a game you know full well what I'm talking about and if you don't look at my first post. You should expect me to be paranoid if you were to pick a target, semi-strawman them, then tunnel them there onwards discrediting those that come to their defence. It was starting to look like this was going to happen, however it slowed down and took a different turn. That cooled my will to lynch you, as well as this weird thing you have with jeanne. I know somethings off there but I've decided to let it resolve itself instead of pursuing it.

Now to why titus' original push was pretty crumpets.

So far I don't like Jeanne11

VOTE: LicketedQuickety

Doesn't like someone. Keeps RVS vote.

I don't like that.

To me LQ's post more read as a growing suspicion that hadn't yet take full form. This kind of gets backed up in his later posts.

So far I don't like Jeanne11

VOTE: LicketedQuickety

Doesn't like someone. Keeps RVS vote.

I don't like that.

Its not enough for a vote. I don't really do the "change RVS votes 5 times in 2 pages." I have not even asked Jeanne11 a question yet.

PEdit: cuz you got the youtube link wrong so I know its out of character for you to use youtube videos.

Here, he says he hasn't even asked a question and the post seems to be implying that his feelings towards jeanne weren't complete and he wasn't sure of them at that point. Feeling someone feels different isn't a bad thing and town often do it, heck if you want another example ISO Ranger who said "Brantz" felt off.

Really feeling icky about LQ...

That's not really a protown sentiment to push even if Jeanne is scum...

How is it not pro-town? do we not push Scum or something? C'mon Titus, I know you know better that that.

If she's doing something out of the ordinary, town or scum, it's a crumb of somesort. As such, it's a rolefish.

This is going too far. This is not rolefishing at all and if LQ is being genuine and is town it's definitely not a rolefish, he just feels somethings off. Titus is making the assumption here that LQ is scum and therefore it has to be a rolefish, as if she sees him as town that wouldn't happen. It's too big of a leap to take and titus knows this, it looked to me like one of titus' semi-strawman bogus tunnel arguments she has when she's scum and which I saw very recently.

Well, I could link you, but I cannot really remember where. I've done it on multiple sites.

You and Titus seem to be a little too coordinated for my taste.

PEdit: Why are you giving her that kind of credit Titus?

Stop rolefishing. I'm not giving her credit. I don't fully trust her. You're just rolefishing.

There's no way you can be so certain he's rolefishing, where's the nagging doubt that says "well, if he's town and what he says is honest I may be wrong". She's jumping to obscure conclusions and stating them as fact, easy enough to do and it looks pretty convincing as scum until people look closer.

Well, I could link you, but I cannot really remember where. I've done it on multiple sites.

You and Titus seem to be a little too coordinated for my taste.

PEdit: Why are you giving her that kind of credit Titus?

Stop rolefishing. I'm not giving her credit. I don't fully trust her. You're just rolefishing.

How the hell is that a rolefish?

I have no idea why I am being tunneled right now.

These above to posts seem to indicate LQ is seriously confused at Titus' reasons and I don't believe he's faking it, these are exactly the reactions you would expect if he was being honest about his thing with jeanne.

[wgeurts]

@Jeanne, Cultivate but never forget failsafe procedures.

@Wgerts, My accusations of LQ role fishing stand. A play that supposes dumb town (which you do on LQ) is several layers of ewww and white knight. Forgetting who is voting you is usually, but not always a scum indicator. Him not knowing AUA is pretty bad. Either he has no attention to relevant details or is scum.

Won't lie, I didn't know AUA until I double checked my PM, and why is the latter option not possible? He's a newer player and not that experienced as the mafia discussion posts should show.

[Titus]

@wgeurts, Read LQ's responses. He read again and still didn't get it.

If LQ had a "suspicion" then he's not in RVS and should vote his "suspect". He didn't. This he doesn't have enough for a vote is crap.

Role fishing is a tactic usually associated with scum. We were not even 50 posts in and he's asking about why a player would post out of their norm. There's only three answers 1) they are scum, 2) it's a crumb 3)they're awkward/trying new strategy. Once a post is determined to be awkward, note it publicly. If door number 4 exists, someone will say. So to me directly pushing why is role fishing and should be to anyone else.

LQ claiming I am tunnelling him reads like coaching. Were not even 50 posts in at that point. No reasonable player should see that as a tunnel. A semi noob reaching that on his own, nope.

[wgeurts]

1 and 3 are both viable options in this case, and I saw it as a tunnel in making myself hence my alarm bells started going off.
Also there's an option 4) LQ simply is misreading/interpreting something.

Looking at the scum/town motivation/mindset for LQ's actions there and the town one makes more sense. You're making the assumption that:
A-Jeanne is town
B-She's not awkward/trying something new
C-LQ's misreading jeane and you may be misreading him.

There are a lot of variables there and that's why I say your accusations of rolefishing far-fetched. I doubt he would even think of role-fishing in such a subtle sly manner as he's not that experienced: and that's something we can prove. The town explanation makes more logical sense than the scum one in my opinion.

Also, can you explain what the heck is going on with you and jeanne plus the fruit?
You started off as sceptical of her support of you and now you act like masons or some crap, what's happened?
If one of you two flips scum I'm willing to bet there is a high chance of you two being partners.

[wgeurts]

C is more a possibility which you're not considering, I botched that

[wgeurts]

Also VOTE: Klingon