Open 612 - Bad Poets Society - Game Over - Town Win

[Ranger]

Hmm...
UNVOTE: Brunneis.
I want massclaim to finish, but I'm thinking about something.

[Brunneis]

That's fine Quaroath, it's all up to you, my point was just that you only prodded me once.

Anyway, Maxwell you asked me about post #442 (about whether I cared which wagon I was on), and no it didn't really matter that much. I found both of them fairly scummy, but I chose to vote for Trivium.

Kling you've ignored me questioning your town read on me, so I'd like you to explain why exactly you thought my day 1 was my town play? It still feels a bit off to me. I'd really like a response. I honestly find it a bit difficult to read you since you are a hydra and I haven't played with Taly before, so that's why I'm calling Kling out.

Kling here.

You were in another game with me. I thought you were Scum in that game because you were so quiet and lurky. Turned out you were Town and trololol Firebringer was Scum.

So, you're quiet and lurky in this game, you're probably Town.

[Brunneis]

Isn't it fairly obvious I do? I was expecting Kling to react to me calling out her town read on me yesterday, and I really dislike the fact that she did not.

I was barely around yesterday.

[Brunneis]

Oh, there is one thing I'm curious about - you only showed interest in us and Trivium. Why? What are your reads on the other players?

[Brunneis]

It's after 4am here. I'll be back late this evening. G'night, all.

[duppin]

Brunneis, since you just brought up that game, you should know that is exactly how I play. I pursue one world at a time, since it gives me a better read on the game especially for late game.

But yes, I do remember we were scumreading each other as town that game. But in that game you were very quick to respond every single time I called you out, which is why I tried to call out your town read on me this game to see if you'd react.
It's possible you weren't around much, but you did post several times after it happened.

For what it is worth, I don't like makara. You townread him d1, is that still the case?

[Brunneis]

Who do you have in mind?

The people who actually did follow the IC.

And they are?

Well, you're not explaining or doing anything, so I see most of your responses are just to A) Keep me replying B) Make me look bad C) Waiting for a better time to put on your case or say something against me when I have less resistance.

Yes, D, all of the above.

Wow, you don't even bring up a case to me yet you say I'm going to be the lynch without question?

And here you're saying you're being vague and dismissive just to put me off even further and try to secure my lynch without actually trying to speak to me?

What the hell?

VOTE: Ranger
VOTE: Ranger
VOTE: Ranger
VOTE: Ranger

You just earned the amount of votes I'd have given you for each thing you just verified to me is extremely scummy.

All of which aren't changing my scumread on you.

Well that's not my problem now, is it?

Apathy. Thanks for breeding it.

shit I'm sounding like House.

Do you know how weird it looks that you have only had collectively 2 scumreads - or 2 people you've pushed this entire game?

False. I've had five: Errant, goodmorning, you, Trivium, and makara, in that order. (Or you, goodmorning. I forget which of you two I suspected first.) I dropped the goodmorning suspicion when I realized he was a PR (he wasn't at all subtle), and kept the other three (Errant, you, Trivium) until the D1 lynch.

Oh really? I didn't notice, because all you've done is push 2 people - Actually, you've only really pushed Errant.

You've yet to actually begin conversation with me with a case.

We could possibly be dealing with a scumteam double that size and you're fixated on tunneling 2 people...

And what mysterious force are you talking about?

Beats me. That's why it's mysterious.

The "stupid-playing" game is really getting old and detracting from town engagement.

I'm waiting.

And my response hasn't changed.

Well, neither will my vote.

Can you be less vague, please?

Can I? Yes. Do I have reason to be? No.

Is this because you're relying on your scumteam to save you when you get wagoned?

Or are you just replying to me to not look useless as hell - and avoid stepping on toes?

Are you insinuating that Varsoon jumped off my wagon just so you could jump on?

No, I'm saying that with Varsoon off, I could get on.

Really? That's not how I see it.

"Varsoon jumped off, so I could get on."

This doesn't sound right. You get a pass on this, but that doesn't even mean anything about changing my read on you.

And I'm pretty unconvinced about you saying you'd unvote if I were pushed to L-1 now...

I'm not logging off. Try self-voting. Instant I see it, I unvote.

Are you kidding me?

Are you telling me to self-vote JUST so you can prove that you unvote and NOT hammer me?

When the HELL does TOWN encourage someone else to self-vote?

Why am I supposed to take your word for it and unvote myself - when we're SCUMREADING each other?

>>>>>>>>

Duppin, this head of Brunneis(Taly) still believes that Makara is null and best replace out.

[duppin]

Yeah I know, the question was for Kling, sorry if that wasn't clear.

[Errantparabola]

claim: VT.
I'm still really burdened by RL stuff (that's why I was mostly LA over the weekend).
I'll respond to you, Ranger, when I have time.
Sorry about prod dodging.

[Varsoon]

@Ranger: We could have a Vig or a town roleblocker still. Don't be quick to assume SK/Scum Roleblocker. Not until every claim is on the table.
And Every claim needs to be on the table. There's no reason to dance around this now.

[Ranger]

And they are?

Too lazy to look, but there were at least two or three people who

explicitly

said they were. More could have done so implicitly, too.

Wow, you don't even bring up a case to me yet you say I'm going to be the lynch without question?

The former is because of the latter. If you're going to be lynched no matter what I say, then more evidence supporting the cause for lynching you is, simply put, not necessary.

We could possibly be dealing with a scumteam double that size and you're fixated on tunneling 2 people...

Again, false. I have three current scumreads. While that's one short of what we have, it's a fairly strong start.

Are you telling me to self-vote JUST so you can prove that you unvote and NOT hammer me?

No, I'm pointing out that if you really thought I was scum lying, you could have put your life on the line to prove it.

[Quaroath]

Vote Count 2.3

Shall it be me
or shall it be you?
We have yet to see
Whose face will turn blue

Brunneis – (1) GrayFoxxxx
Ranger – (1) Brunneis
Not voting - (8) duppin, Errantparabola, Ika Musume, Makara, Varsoon, The Fire Hermit, MaxwellPuckett, Ranger

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-11-11 23:59:59)

[Ranger]

Whoah, one vote?
Well then.

VOTE: Brunneis.
Guess I can leave this here and think safely.
(I think we're good on a re-think, but not absolutely sure.)

[Brunneis]

And they are?

Too lazy to look, but there were at least two or three people who

explicitly

said they were. More could have done so implicitly, too.

Too lazy to back up your own statements?

I guess they're false, then.

Wow, you don't even bring up a case to me yet you say I'm going to be the lynch without question?

The former is because of the latter. If you're going to be lynched no matter what I say, then more evidence supporting the cause for lynching you is, simply put, not necessary.

Why is it this unspoken decree that I'm going to be lynched no matter what, today? The more you say this, the more it lends me to believe you know something that town doesn't.

Plus, your vote is horrible in itself since you obviously aren't going to back anything up with why I'm supposedly scum.

We could possibly be dealing with a scumteam double that size and you're fixated on tunneling 2 people...

Again, false. I have three current scumreads.

While that's one short of what we have

, it's a fairly strong start.

"One short of what we have"?

Who said this was a definitive reality?

Plus - why would you townread people when you know there is scum between them, in that case?

Furthermore - You said you had 5 scumreads total - and now you have 3? Who are you still scumreading other than Errant and I - and why haven't you even looked at them?

Are you telling me to self-vote JUST so you can prove that you unvote and NOT hammer me?

No, I'm pointing out that if you really thought I was scum lying, you could have put your life on the line to prove it.

So your scumbuddy could hammer?

Or you just not unvoting at all since - everything you or I say at this point doesn't matter because in your mind - I'm going to be lynched no matter what?

This town only has 2 mislynches left, why would I self-vote just to make everything worse?

Whoah, one vote?
Well then.

VOTE: Brunneis.
Guess I can leave this here and think safely.
(I think we're good on a re-think, but not absolutely sure.)

.......

Why do you keep unvoting and re-voting? I just...

I can't see this coming from town. I can't... Conversation with you is bordering on useless at this point. I've made all my points as to why and how you're scum, and you just keep switching your vote trying to look better while you ignore any motion I do to actually engage with fruitful conversation.

>>>>>>

I'm in a very shitty mood right now, if anyone else actually wants a conversation - I'm still here.

[Ranger]

Too lazy to back up your own statements? I guess they're false, then.

No, they are objectively, provably true. If I told you that people

didn't

believe the world was flat and in fact most people knew the approximate size of the world around Columbus's time, I wouldn't need to link to wikipedia. It's a true fact. It can be shown, demonstrated with research. I simply am too lazy to bother making that effort.

Why is it this unspoken decree that I'm going to be lynched no matter what, today?

I guess you missed the memo, but every player I've seen save for players that are very real candidates for being your scumbuddies have been saying you're their preferred lynch.

The more you say this, the more it lends me to believe you know something that town doesn't.

What, you think I know there's a cop guilty on you or something? 'Cause that sounds an awful lot like you scumslipping.

"One short of what we have"?

We have one player unclaimed.
It was obvious from the nightkills that it wasn't a vig, too. What vig would shoot goodmorning? What vig would shoot Vedith? Both are distinctly scum-oriented targets.
So yes. What we have is three scum and a serial killer.
Meaning my three suspects is...one short of what we have.

Plus - why would you townread people when you know there is scum between them, in that case?

You're joking with this question, right?
Because I can't seriously believe I need to point out to you that nobody ever holds perfect reads in a game especially not all the time. Of course I townread people when I know there's a scum in them. That means I'm wrong about one of the townreads, but it doesn't change that I hold the townread.

Furthermore - You said you had 5 scumreads total - and now you have 3?

Yes, because two of them died and flipped town. I have held five scumreads total for the entire game. I hold three current scumreads.

Why do you keep unvoting and re-voting?

I didn't vote you because I was afraid voting you would put you too close to a lynch, when we needed to finish massclaim.
I voted you when Varsoon had unvoted, removing said concern.
I unvoted because, surprise surprise, I'm actually a town player who was reconsidering a big assumption I had made.
I revoted because of the listed reasons: both an utter lack of threat behind voting (there is no danger of the day ending) and because I'm pretty confident that I was just being paranoid about the assumption.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Okay: Makara needs to be replaced too.

Ika, one of your heads need to full-claim properly.

Ranger and Brunneis' line-by-line responses are killing me. In the bad way, not the funny way, they're a struggle to read through. Like, I did, but I didn't enjoy it. At this point you're just repeating things to each other.

I should go through all the claims again because I've forgotten who the missing person is... I'll do it later.

[Quaroath]

Okay: Makara needs to be replaced too.

Ika, one of your heads need to full-claim properly.

Ranger and Brunneis' line-by-line responses are killing me. In the bad way, not the funny way, they're a struggle to read through. Like, I did, but I didn't enjoy it. At this point you're just repeating things to each other.

I should go through all the claims again because I've forgotten who the missing person is... I'll do it later.

Makara is V/LA through the end of today.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Oh, I see, thanks. Take it back then.

[Ranger]

The missing person happens to be makara.

[Ranger]

(Though Ika needs to claim what role they are for responsibility purposes once makara has claimed.)

[The Fire Hermit]

Brunneis: VT.
duppin: VT.
Errantparabola:

VT

goodmorning: flipped 1x cop.
GrayFox: VT.
Ika: Claimed Unspecified role.
makara: ?
MaxwellPuckett: VT.
Ranger: VT.
The Fire Hermit: IC.
Trivium: Flipped VT.
Varsoon: Claimed doctor.
Vedith: Flipped VT.

Added Errant.
Did we get Ika role?
He is a power role, and says its obvious but I still don't see it.

[Brunneis]

Brunneis, since you just brought up that game, you should know that is exactly how I play. I pursue one world at a time, since it gives me a better read on the game especially for late game.

But yes, I do remember we were scumreading each other as town that game. But in that game you were very quick to respond every single time I called you out, which is why I tried to call out your town read on me this game to see if you'd react.
It's possible you weren't around much, but you did post several times after it happened.

For what it is worth, I don't like makara. You townread him d1, is that still the case?

Yeah, I'm still townreading Makara.

Klingoncelt

[Brunneis]

I have three current scumreads. While that's one short of what we have, it's a fairly strong start.

From the Wiki:

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

In other words:

2 Mafia, 1 SK
2 Mafia
2 Mafia, 1 SK
3 Mafia
3 Mafia, 1 SK
3 Mafia
3 Mafia, 1 SK
3 Mafia

I have three current scumreads. While that's one short of what we have, it's a fairly strong start.

How do you know there's 4 Scum?

[Brunneis]

^^ Klingoncelt ^^

[duppin]

Brunneis, since you just brought up that game, you should know that is exactly how I play. I pursue one world at a time, since it gives me a better read on the game especially for late game.

But yes, I do remember we were scumreading each other as town that game. But in that game you were very quick to respond every single time I called you out, which is why I tried to call out your town read on me this game to see if you'd react.
It's possible you weren't around much, but you did post several times after it happened.

For what it is worth, I don't like makara. You townread him d1, is that still the case?

Yeah, I'm still townreading Makara.

Klingoncelt

I see. Would you care to explain why?