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Post Post #975 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:58 pm

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In post 934, Ranger wrote:
wgeurts wrote:So let's start with Ranger,
he
This was very obviously pre-typed in a PT, at some prior point to my .
Now what kind of player would have access to a PT, hmm?
Wut?
Where the hell are you drawing this conclusion from? This is some serious conf-bias or just scum crumpets.
I mess up pronouns all the town, I've been corrected in almost every game I'm in. Sometimes I check, sometimes I don't.

His next post 125 and 126 he votes LQ without any reason what so ever, it feels a little opportunistic as LQ was under quite a bit of pressure around then.
I don't do opportunism, as explained in .
He doesn't do opportunism guys, there's absolutely no way he's lying and he's even got "proof"; he must be town. Lol, this isn't even an argument for you being town and is honestly rather scummy.

LicketyQuickety was my vote for one simple reason: most of his posting was utterly devoid of a town process. (Note that when I voted LQ, I was not caught up in the thread. I post as I catch up.) I'd be lying if I said LQ's posting was all scum; there was
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brief section of the game where LQ put up a good show, but given that his content before
and
after that time period was and is still bad, it was exactly that: nothing but a show.
Well, could you go grab a few of his posts were he was "devoid of town play" and explain how it's so? Also saying what that "one" town thing was would help. Anyone can make a statement and can look convincing, getting proof is the real work though and is where scum slip.

His scum read on Brantz is also complete crumpets as that slot hasn't actually really produced any content worth pushing yet.
This is subjective and you should know it. RVS content never is irrelevant.
RVS content is almost always fully irrelevant and almost always void of alignment indicative stuff. Beyond VCA there's not much to be drawn from it and VCA requires flips which we don't yet have.


On my home site, we continue to scrutinize D1 (which is usually almost all RVS aside from some maybe-serious pushes near the very end) throughout the entirety of the game. I did not like BRantz's entry.
And could you give us examples from your home site where it was actually correct?
It's like pushing someone because they made a joke.

All the way up to post 748 where he suddenly creates a reads-list identical to titus' containing no reasoning for the reads at all.
Titus's reads were a copy of mine, not vice-versa. This is easily shown by linking posts like (where I say I was not marking someone I thought was town), (me stating my suspicion on BM), (where my scumread is explicit on BM), (where I say Elbirn is town, RR is null but possible, and BRantz is my third suspicion next to BM and LQ), (where I say RR is possibly scum), and (where I explain in more detail the possibility of RR being scum).

This all shows very, very clearly where my reads were coming from in my reads list. To say I copied it from another is ridiculous. They're my reads. What kind of horrible player do you think I am, to need to copy the reads of another player? I repeat: not a newb. Titus sharing the reads is either coincidence or effort on her part to copy mine. This is especially true given that I post as I read rather than catching up all at once and making a giant wall.
Destroyed in my last post.

His 768 is also horrifically scummy, it looks likes he's setting himself up to vote whoever the town ends up deciding to lynch.
What.
Me trying to
lead the town and spearhead a LQ lynch
.
is rather scummy yes. Especially since you'd been parked on him all game.

Is somehow me trying to set myself up to vote whoever the town ends up deciding to lynch?
I want LQ lynched. Titus and Jeanne were both off the wagon, tunneling each other. I wanted them both on the wagon, so I asked. In what twisted realm can you possibly interpret that as trying to lynch anyone rather than me trying to lynch one specific person?

I also call complete bollux that he was scum reading me early game and thus marked me, he stated all other scum reads but happened to leave me unmenioned?
Because my mark did the speaking for me about my read on you. The mark is a negative thing for the marked. Therefore, by implication, me marking you would reveal my scumread on you the minute I flipped. (Because I would never mark a player I thought was town.)
Destroyed last post.

Could you explain in your own words how everyone you listed as scum is actually scum in your eyes?
When I feel like it, yes. But for you and RR, the current strength of my read comes from how you both voted during the anonymous voting session, along with your reactions immediately after that. There was things before that made me have my eye on you two (your RVS posting being just as bad as Brantz's, some of RR's posting), but it was that which really (re)created the scumreads.

*avoids explaining any of his scum reads even more blatantly and only gives some vague explanation*

What do you think or Brantz now? He's not changed anything since you last scum read him but he's suddenly null.
There can't be five scum in the game. Heck, there can't even be four, but I'm still suspicious of both you and RR in spite of there being room for only one of you in the scumteam. (Because BM and LQ both occupy strong spots that will not be changing.) You said it yourself: BRantz hasn't done much of anything in the game and has little to be read off of. While I had an initial scumread there, it is based off of things you yourself explicitly said were weak-at-best, and you're absolutely right. So, as a result, BRantz moved up to null when thanks to the stuff I talk about responding to quote above this one, you and RR moved down.
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All-in-all, this post has almost-entirely backwards reads.
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Post Post #976 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:22 pm

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Okay, here are my reads. They're all gut reads for now.

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Post Post #977 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:23 pm

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If you don't like the fact I am using a gut read, then attack wgeurts also, for he uses them too.
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Post Post #978 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:54 pm

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Yes please do, gut reads are a thing!
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Post Post #979 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:29 pm

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Then why do you willify me for using them?
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Post Post #980 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:38 pm

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In post 69, Jeanne11 wrote:VOTE: LicketyQucikety

He is giving me bad vibes.


OK, I am calling this.

Jeanne11 is Scum. This is what I'm calling a bitter vote. They do not want to be out of this game and is EXTREMELY desperate to stay in this game. Their vote on me here tells the whole story of why They have been going after me since the beginning of the game. I said I didn't like Jeanne11 at the very beginning of the game and Jeanne11 WANTS TO ELIMINATE THE BIGGEST THREAT AGAINST THEM ASAP. The reason for this is that if they can get rid of me it is telling everyone in this game that they can't mess with her. Its a strategic play that vies on the power struggle between herself and myself that she has set up ever since they placed the vote on me. Its very much akin to starting shit with the biggest baddest guy in the gang so that you can take over as the leader of the gang. That is EXACTLY why Jeanne11 has made such an effort to do everything they can to get me out of the game. As I'm sure some of the vets and others who have taken a chance to read up on the wiki, it says there that the more you say you are Town the more likely people are to believe it. That is exactly what jeanne11 is doing only in reverse and saying I am Scum over and over and over trying to imbed that idea into towns heads. It is not a fancy play at all; it is a play where all it requires is saying the same thing over and over until people start believing it. That is why it has looked like all I have done is say I am Town all game -because that is what I am forced to do to combat the baseless accusations against me. Jeanne11 does not have a case on me and does not need a case on me. All they have to do is repeat the same thing over and over until people start to believe it. And guess what? A lot of you have swallowed that hook line and sinker. All Jeanne11 has to know is that we are not teamed, and the only way she can know that is if she is Scum. Jeanne11 is Scum that keeps peddling the same thing over and over because she knows that I am Town or at least not temed with her. And the reason this works is because when I flip Town, since there was no case against me, she doesn't need to defend her position and she knows people are not going to question it because people don't think that way usually.

TL;DR: Jeanne11 is scum that keeps saying the same thing over and over that I am Scum because she knows I am Town and knows she can get away with it.
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Post Post #981 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:45 pm

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That last post is rather far fetched.
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Post Post #982 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:48 pm

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In post 981, wgeurts wrote:That last post is rather far fetched.


Town always has reasonable doubt. Jeanne11 has not demonstrated that at all in their Scum read on us.
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Post Post #983 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:53 pm

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In post 10, Jeanne11 wrote:@Titus



?

Fixed.
In order to do youtube tags, you just paste everything that comes after the = on the youtube link.


Jeanne11's first post was a buddy post. The reason she wanted to buddy Titus is she knows Titus is a death tunneler and people would follow Titus' lead.

It makes so much sense when you actually think about it.

All that stuff about Jeanne11 saying it was a trust thing was just a ruse to push her agenda to get Titus to help her.
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Post Post #984 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:56 pm

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In post 42, Jeanne11 wrote:
In post 40, LicketyQuickety wrote:So far I don't like Jeanne11


Why? Because I invited Titus?


I have used this argument before and this is like the most obvious one I have seen, but this is what is called a Freudian Slip.
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Post Post #985 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:11 am

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In post 176, Jeanne11 wrote:Hey, everyone, Titus said it herself, she gets angrier the more certain the probability of lynch is. Let's see if she's gonna start yelling if we lynch her scumbuddy Elbirn.

In post 190, Jeanne11 wrote:*glares at Titus some more* Da love, da honour, da town.

In post 193, Jeanne11 wrote:See? Titus became crazy as well, aanonoeoewnow

In post 373, Jeanne11 wrote:And then there's a fact that you aren't suspecting him at all, which alarms me a bit.......

*shakes head*

But what can I do, when nobody agrees with me......?

In post 377, Jeanne11 wrote:@Titus Considering you and Shiro played the rest of us for fools, no.

In post 382, Jeanne11 wrote:@Titus Facts? Facts are only there to back up a gut feeling. Just ask ABR.

@Elbirn Yes

In post 387, Jeanne11 wrote:You suspect LQ too. Tell me what reasons do you have for that.

In post 393, Jeanne11 wrote:True, but it's because I already sorted her as townfirm for now. Her posts proved it to me.

In post 400, Jeanne11 wrote:Luckily for town, I am a brainiac and have a stronger brain as my ally on top of that.

In post 404, Jeanne11 wrote:However, when Titus is scum, she let's people implode. She did this to me in last game we played together, but not in this one. So I read her as town.

In post 425, Jeanne11 wrote:@Titus It is here.

pedit: True, but wizards are also smart.

In post 517, Jeanne11 wrote:@Titus Do you think mulberries need to be purged? Or can they be 100 % cultivated?

In post 602, Jeanne11 wrote:Okay, I'll trust you. But don't drag the harvest out for too long, since I am busy on Monday. Really, I said it multiple times and you still want to do it on Monday.....?

In post 604, Jeanne11 wrote:Titus is our chief strategy farmer, so if you townread her, you should townread the three of us as well.

In post 610, Jeanne11 wrote:@Titus Or am I? Seems like you're forgetting the plan we discussed at the table.......:/

In post 612, Jeanne11 wrote:@FK How? Well, it's simple. If Titus is town, she won't associate with scum.

Yeah, I know my logic is weird, but so is wg's idea to vote a townie for the lulz.

In post 613, Jeanne11 wrote:Especially if said townie is a farmer. Never lynch farmers, buddy. They provide the town with nourishment.

In post 630, Jeanne11 wrote:Wait, Titus removed her vote? I thought we agreed to vote either myself or LQ, so what gives?

#scumdar on

In post 724, Jeanne11 wrote:If you are going to play me for a fool, don't expect me to be all sunshine and rainbows towards you.

In post 735, Jeanne11 wrote:Titus: I have proven myself as escort. Who cares if I am actually consort, I have proven myself as an escort, so just trust me, dammit!

Titus2: Jeanne11 hates me so I must be town.

In post 821, Jeanne11 wrote:Yes, we both scum-read LQ, however, that doesn't mean I'll overlook other possibilities

VOTE: LQ

In post 852, Jeanne11 wrote:I started thinking that when Titus confirmed that my assessment that she gets angrier when chances of lynch were more likely and LQ said that his point still stands. A town player wouldn't say something after my assessment was confirmed by her.

In post 858, Jeanne11 wrote:Also, you say Titus isn't a God, yet you are acting as if LQ is a God. Such a hypocrite.


These are all the posts that Jeanne has of buddying Titus.

Go through Jeanne11's ISO and you will see they ALWAY are posting with an agenda of manipulation.
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Post Post #986 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:18 am

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Hmm.....
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Post Post #987 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:37 am

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wgeurts wrote:I call absolute crumpets that you had formed a read on us from the following posts:
Well that's your choice, but it won't be very productive for this part of the conversation to continue. You say I can't; I'm telling you I did. My stance won't chance since that's what actually happened, your stance has no reason to change, so the argument won't produce anything.

You said in that post that "they weren't worth pursuing" however you now claim to have had such a strong read on me that I was even worth marking with some "bad thing".
Those statements do not contradict one another. My read on you was strong enough that I marked you. However, you were not worth actively pursuing, particularly since my mark would do the talking for me once what it does became known. Neither was BM, not until later.

Also it's easy to claim "BM" was one of those now
I said "a couple". Name who else I could possibly have been talking about if not you and Blackest Magic.

You say I was scum in your first post but not worth pursuing (meaning it's hella weak) but still worth marking because I'm so obviously scum?
No, that's what you're saying. I said you were scum, but not worth pursuing. So yes, "hella weak". You were worth marking, because while marking is bad for the marked...again.
I can choose not to trigger the mark
. So if my read changed on you, no harm done. As the person who actually knows what marking does, I hold the knowledge of what was and was not appropriate usage of it. And in my mind, marking you was an incredibly good thing, allowing me to easily state a suspicion at any time I chose, yet also leave me open to not using the mark if I decided you were town.

The wgeurts scum read is also bullshit as you said it's not worth pursuing and you even said somewhere I was null.
I'm going to lay this out in as simplest terms as I can.
I had a scumread on you.
It was not strong, but I thought you were scum.
Because I know what marking does, I marked you. It is a bad thing to be marked, but I can choose not to trigger it, so I knew that if my read changed, there would be no harm done.
Because I had stronger suspicions (BRantz, LQ, and later Blackest Magic, with BM initially at the same level as you before getting stronger), and because if I were to flip town my mark would reveal that me marking you indicated suspicion, you were not worth pushing, so I didn't.
You moved up to null with your posting later, and the mark would not be triggered.
You have moved down since the anonymous voting fiasco, back to being a scumread again.

There is no contradiction.

Explain why they are town and I'm blind tyvm.
At this point I feel absolutely no need to. Aside from Jeanne and maybe Titus, they are in no danger of being lynched.

That's called a null read friend.
Not when you have five scum suspects in a game that has room for only three.
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Post Post #988 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:50 am

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wgeurts wrote:Where the hell are you drawing this conclusion from?
Aside from the fact that you started with, "so let's start with", the fact you referred to me as a he consistently throughout that post indicated you had typed it prior to me correcting you about my gender.

Well, could you go grab a few of his posts were he was "devoid of town play" and explain how it's so?
Sure, when I'm not posting purely out of insomnia. (It's late in my timezone.)
Also saying what that "one" town thing was would help.
It'd take me too long to track down the exact posts, but his, "I'm starting to get going, guys!" posting is what I'm talking about. That showed a potential indicator of a town thought process where he'd be apathetic town that suddenly got motivated, only, it didn't actually happen.

And could you give us examples from your home site where it was actually correct?
Literally every game? (Well, except about a third or so of the mafia wins. So, about 5/6 games it's correct.)
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Destroyed in my last post.
You and I have very different definitions of the word 'destroyed'.

is rather scummy yes. Especially since you'd been parked on him all game.
For someone who is claiming I'm tunneling.
You're doing a whole lot of narrative manipulation on me that looks like tunneling.
Your original accusation was that I wasn't pushing anyone, AND that I was looking to be on any wagon.
You 'backed' this up in a post where
I was heavily pushing my scumread, LQ
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Post Post #989 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:03 am

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In post 982, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 981, wgeurts wrote:That last post is rather far fetched.


Town always has reasonable doubt. Jeanne11 has not demonstrated that at all in their Scum read on us.


What a hypocrite. You haven't demonstrated doubt in your scum read on me. By your logic, that makes you scum.
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Post Post #990 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:09 am

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Pistachion: please provide content. Weak scumread of Kari, which is strong enough for a vote to you. Got it. Any thoughts on anything else that occurred in this game so far?

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Post Post #991 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:10 am

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In post 989, Jeanne11 wrote:
In post 982, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 981, wgeurts wrote:That last post is rather far fetched.


Town always has reasonable doubt. Jeanne11 has not demonstrated that at all in their Scum read on us.


What a hypocrite. You haven't demonstrated doubt in your scum read on me. By your logic, that makes you scum.


Lol at that's all I have on you. I gave a nice laid out explanation of my interpretation of your behavior which you completely failed to address. That is an indication in itself that you are Scum.
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Post Post #992 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:14 am

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Well, if you want that play, then I will give it to you. The fruit mention, the buddying wasn't neccessarily because I am scum. Ever heard of masonry? Ever heard of neighbourhood?
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Post Post #993 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:15 am

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In post 950, Varsoon wrote:
"You must never give up hope. With just a little bit of hope, you can survive, live on. And that goes for humans as well as elves."
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VOTECOUNT 1.11


LicketyQuickety (5):
Ranger, Titus, Suzune, Jeanne11,
Elbirn (2):
BRantz, Bright
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LicketyQuickety, pistachi0n
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Blackest Magick
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wgeurts
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Reasonably Rational

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Klingoncelt, Elbirn

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Post Post #994 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:15 am

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Your not masons, otherwise you wouldn't have voted em
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Post Post #995 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:16 am

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Or could it be that you have but refuse to take into account the possibility that I could be in one of those because that would doom you?
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Post Post #996 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:17 am

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Post Post #997 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:19 am

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So just because I have voted them, I cannot be in masonry/neighbourhood with them, thus I must be scum? So much for thinking of every possibility. This last statement of yours means you do indeed follow LQ and what he says goes.
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Post Post #998 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:21 am

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In post 997, Jeanne11 wrote:So just because I have voted them, I cannot be in masonry/neighbourhood with them, thus I must be scum? So much for thinking of every possibility. This last statement of yours means you do indeed follow LQ and what he says goes.


Lol.

Clearly you are not neighbors because if you were you would not be short sighted enough to include masons.
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Post Post #999 (ISO) » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:24 am

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In post 997, Jeanne11 wrote:So just because I have voted them, I cannot be in masonry/neighbourhood with them, thus I must be scum? So much for thinking of every possibility. This last statement of yours means you do indeed follow LQ and what he says goes.

I think you're town, and most likely neighbours if one of the above but even that is seriously unlikely seeing titus role an your need to communicate in-thread.
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