Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[Jeanne11]

So your argument now is only that you don't buy that? I knew that would be the only argument you could make.

@wgeurts I cannot till day 2. However, that won't happen, cos you two scumbuddies would make sure that doesn't happen in order to avoid any further suspicion on you two from me, Titus, Elbirn or Suzune

[LicketyQuickety]

So your argument now is only that you don't buy that? I knew that would be the only argument you could make.

@wgeurts I cannot till day 2. However, that won't happen, cos you two scumbuddies would make sure that doesn't happen in order to avoid any further suspicion on you two from me, Titus, Elbirn or Suzune

Right, how exactly would Elb and Suz fit into it and for what freaking reason?

[wgeurts]

Fudge phone autocorrect and predicted text?
Can you add/remove at will?

[wgeurts]

I DIDN'T WANT A QUESTION MARK THERE

[Jeanne11]

I already answered that question on top of this page. Read it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Still looking for how Elb and Suz fit into this, and why they are even necessary for thing.

[Jeanne11]

Because Titus and I agreed that the chance of catching scum would be easier with two townies.

And why are you even asking further? Want to learn all the details so you can plan how to survive as scum better?

[wgeurts]

Have you considered we could be town

[Jeanne11]

Have you considered I could be town?

[Jeanne11]

And yes, yes I have, but if you're truly town you would have stopped accusing me already. >.<

[wgeurts]

Have you considered I could be town?

I think you are town for the sixth time.
I THINK YOU ARE TOWN

[Jeanne11]

Also, I think LQ is afraid that with the four of us we'll catch him more easily and that's why he's questioning the four of us being needed in order to get some of us to back down from the plan. The less of us there are working together, the better it is for him.

[wgeurts]

So, my actual reads after rereading the game.

BlackestMagic -

Null-Town

So far there has been very little content from this slot and there posts feel rather disconnected at the moment. There's a lot of commenting here and there but not a lot of bite, and definitely no scum hunting at the moment. Despite all this there's nothing really scummy in their posts as of now, if this continues all game however I may have to rethink.

Questions:

Have you finished catching up?
What are your thoughts on LQ?
What made you possibly scum read titus in post 356?

FireKari -

Light-Scum

This slot has really just been posting fluff right from the start and I still haven't figured if yukari is a clever troll or is serious about all this weird confusing gibberish they post. Not to mention in post 134 they were town reading LQ and then later in post 189 they just naked vote him opportunistically with the reasoning consisting of "die scum". They have parked there ever since and have yet to provide reasoning, one of those that could be scum on a possible LQ town "anon"-wagon.

Questions

Why were you originally town-reading LQ and what caused the change?
What are your thoughts on matters right now?

Klingoncelt -

Null-Scum

So her first post (98) was already weird as not only is it contradictory it also feels really distanced, I fail to see why town would make that post. He just coasts-by until his reads list in post 452. It's really easily flung together, what makes it worse is that she doesn't actually vote any of the two scum reads she states in it. This lax, go with the flow attitude is not looking good in my eyes. The only thing that raises doubts with me is that she's probably over-extended in too many games. 8-12! That's way too many for me to manage so it may be affecting his play as well.

Questions

Why are you not voting anybody despite having stated scum-reads?
What are your reads after recent events?

Ranger -

Light-Scum

So let's start with Ranger, he comes in marks me with some unexplained thing and votes Brantz. His next post 125 and 126 he votes LQ without any reason what so ever, it feels a little opportunistic as LQ was under quite a bit of pressure around then. His scum read on Brantz is also complete crumpets as that slot hasn't actually really produced any content worth pushing yet. Apparently his "felt forced", go check post 9 to see why this really is rather far-fetched.
He then tunnels LQ while the pressure remains to exist on him. All the way up to post 748 where he suddenly creates a reads-list identical to titus' containing no reasoning for the reads at all. His 768 is also horrifically scummy, it looks likes he's setting himself up to vote whoever the town ends up deciding to lynch. He's not pushing, he's not making his own reasons and he's definitely not explaining any of his actions. I also call complete bollux that he was scum reading me early game and thus marked me, he stated all other scum reads but happened to leave me unmenioned?

Questions

Could you explain in your own words how everyone you listed as scum is actually scum in your eyes?
Why did you originally scum read LQ?
What do you think or Brantz now? He's not changed anything since you last scum read him but he's suddenly null.
Why where you originally scum reading me?
What does the mark do!? You may have fucked over town with a role that you could have used better.

Elibern -

Town

So I'm still a little confused about what he was doing early game. Was it some sort of gambit to try and catch scum? If so what conclusions did you draw?
Anyway, I like his play and he's been scum hunting. His thought process seems clear and natural so he can sit in my town pile for now.

Questions

Can you explain to me what on earth you were doing early-game and what results it gave you?

Jeanne -

Light-Town

Honestly, I don't know really know what to make of this slot. However after my reread I'm left with the feeling that it's town, for some weird gut reason. The whole lunatic fruit thing now makes sense so that's no longer an issue for me. I'm going to come back to this slot later as I want to sort it more firmly.

Titus -

Scum

So titus' first push on LQ is crumpets and right now she is using faulty logic to justify reads made by the wacky gambit thing she pulled off while disrepping the person speaking out against her reasoning she's applied to it. Then we have her pushing too much to look town. I had originally waved away my initial suspicions and RR does have a strong point against her. I've made up my mind, this isn't the town titus I know and I see the similarities to her scum game. Unless her town play has changed dramatically it's not this, it feels off and just like the last game I was right I'm going to trust my instinct and gut.

Reasonably Rational -

Light-Town

Their early game play was a bit lacking however their recent posts are looking a lot better and their logic is good. There's also drixx being his bitter self which tends to point to him being town, I could go on and give examples of why I think they're town if you want but I've summarised it here.

Brantz -

Null

Almost no content and almost nothing alignment indicative from this slot with a total of 3 posts. Null.

LQ -

Light-Town

Explained before. Hasn't changed.

Pistach -

Null-Town

This slot doesn't have a lot of content and I'd like to see more posts from them but they're leaning town for me.

Suzune -

Town

Suzune's early scepticism of Elibern's weirdness was pretty towny and her thoughts throughout the game seem natural. I can see a town-motivation in her posts.

Honestly my detail has become less throughout this post as I've gotten bored of making it so just ask me on things I'm missing/you want to know.

[wgeurts]

I've had you as town for almost 200 posts which as fifth of the game

[Jeanne11]

You also have LQ as town and I don't like that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Because Titus and I agreed that the chance of catching scum would be easier with two townies.

And why are you even asking further? Want to learn all the details so you can plan how to survive as scum better?

I reread stuff. Unless there's a whole lot unsaid in the thread that was said in the PT or whatever, I think its a stretch at best that all four of you guys are all Town. If you are town, I am still not getting the early trigger. It looks Sus... I don't believe you triggered early for convenience sake. There's either something else going on or you were sabotaging the plan.

[Jeanne11]

There is such a thing as real life. You know, many of people here declare V/LA due to the fact that their real life is important. Even Drixx did so in this very thread, and yet the concept that I could have real life issues is alien to you.

[wgeurts]

You do realise LQ could be town?
That so could I?
That you 4 aren't conf-town?
There there could be scum amongst you?
That they may be fooling you the way you fear and try to prevent?
Because you can also make mistakes?
As we all do?

Stop using pre flip associatives and basing assumptions off assumptions. You have potential but you are spewing nonsense.
Consider I may be town while town reading LQ, that LQ isn't conf scum and that I may just be trying to help you?
Rant over

[Jeanne11]

Helping me? So you think that backing up LQ who scumreads me no matter what is helping me?

[Jeanne11]

You know who else said they were trying to help me? Shiro. !scumShiro. You exhibit the same behaviour as !scumShiro. 'helping me' has been tried before, so I am not buying that shizz again.

[wgeurts]

There is such a thing as real life. You know, many of people here declare V/LA due to the fact that their real life is important. Even Drixx did so in this very thread, and yet the concept that I could have real life issues is alien to you.

How can I know if you don't say so?
Anyway this isn't the place to discuss that though I'd happily do so elsewhere.
He may just be mistaken town as well, though his last posts have been bad.
What he does is his problem, how am I responsible?

[wgeurts]

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[LicketyQuickety]

There is such a thing as real life. You know, many of people here declare V/LA due to the fact that their real life is important. Even Drixx did so in this very thread, and yet the concept that I could have real life issues is alien to you.

With a potential plan like that? Please tell me you're joking.

[wgeurts]

I seriously am not going to fucking bother anymore
Don't expect responses from me until you get your shit together

[wgeurts]

LQ that was seriously insensitive