Open 612 - Bad Poets Society - Game Over - Town Win

[Persivul]

Hey Persival.
Please read the setup.
We're currently massclaiming.

Hi. Massclaiming makes no sense in this setup, but anyway: Is the massclaim popcorn? Is it my turn?

As it stands, we've got a dead 1-shot cop and two dead VTs.
There were two deaths on Night 1.

Is there a vig claim?

Thanks for the update.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Massclaiming makes sense considering what we know about this setup. Also, your slot is one of two that haven't claimed.
And there hasn't been a vig claim.

[Persivul]

Massclaiming makes sense considering what we know about this setup.

Since there can be multiple people with a given role, or no occurrence of that role at all, no, massclaim doesn't help town, and in fact hurts it by telling scum who to kill.

Also, your slot is one of two that haven't claimed.

In that case it's probably too late, and since I'm just VT, I'll claim - under protest.

Who's left? And when that person claims, will we suddenly know who the scum are? Or did we just out the PRs for nothing? Sorry to be shitty about it but reading the setup I just don't see the advantage. Has it been done successfully in previous runs of the setup?

And there hasn't been a vig claim.

Thanks.

[Persivul]

BTW, slow game - this is a pretty low post count for D2.

[Errantparabola]

Regardless, this means that the mystery town power-role is the sole person who actually knows the whole setup.
If they claim and are not counterclaimed, this makes them confirmed town.
I am also confirmed town.
FireHermit is confirmed town.

This should be easy.

If we have another cop in the setup, that means both our cop and our other role could claim, giving us
4 confirmed town independent of the cop results.

If we can't win with that, you should all hang your heads in shame.

This is, I guess, what the justification for a massclaim is.

And yeah, this game is going really slowly.

[Persivul]

OK, it reduces the lynch pool, BUT at the expense of basically blowing the power roles. I guess we'll have to see how it plays out. I'm still skeptical.

Fudge, goodmorning was a cop AND she's my favoritest player on the whole site...and she's dead already. Bummer.

Who's the last that needs to claim?

I usually make a policy vote on ika (or ika hydra) just for being ika. Would this group frown on that?

[Persivul]

Brunneis: VT.
duppin: VT.
Errantparabola:

VT

goodmorning: flipped 1x cop.
GrayFox: VT.
Ika: Claimed Unspecified role.
makara: ?
MaxwellPuckett: VT.
Ranger: VT.
The Fire Hermit: IC.
Trivium: Flipped VT.
Varsoon: Claimed doctor.
Vedith: Flipped VT.

Added Errant.
Did we get Ika role?
He is a power role, and says its obvious but I still don't see it.

Bumped this for my reference.

Also saw a charge that Ranger scum slipped regarding number of scum. Anyone care to summarize that?

[Persivul]

Brunneis: VT.
duppin: VT.
Errantparabola:

VT

goodmorning: flipped 1x cop.
GrayFox: VT.
Ika: Claimed Unspecified role.
Persivul: VT
MaxwellPuckett: VT.
Ranger: VT.
The Fire Hermit: IC.
Trivium: Flipped VT.
Varsoon: Claimed doctor.
Vedith: Flipped VT.[/quote]

Updated for my slot.

[Ranger]

Persivul is confirming my makara suspicion was justified; he is very obviously scum, here.

But massclaim has finished. It's time to wagon Brunneis.

I shouldn't need to defend myself since, via lack of a vig claim, my claim for four scum has been vindicated.

[Persivul]

OK, per doc there's a roleblocker, so we have at most 4 Ts, i.e. at least 3 letters.

Letters claimed:
1x cop = C
doc = D
IC = M

Without ika included it's TTTTCDM, which doesn't work because it doesn't explain the second NK. Adding in ika:

If ika is C:
TTTCCDM means cop rather than a 1-shot cop, which has flipped. This doesn't work.

If ika is D:
TTTCDDM means ika is 1-shot doc, and there's an SK which explains the second NK. This works.

If ika is V:
TTTCDMV makes ika a 1-shot vig plus an SK. This works if ika didn't shoot.

If ika is M:
TTTCDMM means a pair of masons rather than an IC. This doesn't work.

If ika is B:
TTTCDMB means ika is a RB, and the SK explains the NK. This works.

(This blows the at least 4T assumption as that's based on a scum RB assumption, but why would town RB block doc? Omit this since it's very improbable.)

So, there's a SK, and ika is 1-shot doc, 1-shot vig who didn't shoot, or town RB.

Apologies if this was already worked out.

I believe Ranger's supposed slip was saying there were 4 scum. Using scum loosely to include SK, then yes, he's right. If I worked it out right, there has to be 3 scum and an SK.

OTOH I could be missing something. Let me know if I screwed up somewhere.

[Persivul]

Persivul is confirming my makara suspicion was justified; he is very obviously scum, here.

Yeah, you're welcome for that analysis which just supported you...

But massclaim has finished.

What about ika?

It's time to wagon Brunneis.

Why?

I shouldn't need to defend myself since, via lack of a vig claim, my claim for four scum has been vindicated.

Agreed.

[Persivul]

VOTE: ika

For being ika and for not claiming!

[Ranger]

Yeah, you're welcome for that analysis which just supported you...

After I specifically said I needed no support.

You laid out the obvious; it didn't need to be said.

That's reason to scumread you, not townread.

What about ika?

Fair point, I forgot they only half-claimed.

Why?

Because that's what we were doing before the massclaim, and with good reason.

Agreed.

You agree I don't need to be defended...in the same post where you explicitly admit you did exactly that.
Yeah.

I maintain Persivul is scum.

[MaxwellPuckett]

OK, per doc there's a roleblocker, so we have at most 4 Ts, i.e. at least 3 letters.

Letters claimed:
1x cop = C
doc = D
IC = M

Without ika included it's TTTTCDM, which doesn't work because it doesn't explain the second NK. Adding in ika:

If ika is C:
TTTCCDM means cop rather than a 1-shot cop, which has flipped. This doesn't work.

If ika is D:
TTTCDDM means ika is 1-shot doc, and there's an SK which explains the second NK. This works.

If ika is V:
TTTCDMV makes ika a 1-shot vig plus an SK. This works if ika didn't shoot.

If ika is M:
TTTCDMM means a pair of masons rather than an IC. This doesn't work.

If ika is B:
TTTCDMB means ika is a RB, and the SK explains the NK. This works.

(This blows the at least 4T assumption as that's based on a scum RB assumption, but why would town RB block doc? Omit this since it's very improbable.)

So, there's a SK, and ika is 1-shot doc, 1-shot vig who didn't shoot, or town RB.

Apologies if this was already worked out.

I believe Ranger's supposed slip was saying there were 4 scum. Using scum loosely to include SK, then yes, he's right. If I worked it out right, there has to be 3 scum and an SK.

OTOH I could be missing something. Let me know if I screwed up somewhere.

What you say: Ika is a 1-shot doc, 1-shot vig who didn't shoot, or town RB.
A few posts later, you vote ika. If you think he's scum (scum to mean either mafia or SK), why the hell isn't that included in your setup calculations?

We should wagon Persival instead of Brunneis imo

[Persivul]

After I specifically said I needed no support.

We cross posted.

You laid out the obvious; it didn't need to be said.

Two words...first one begins with "Fuck"

[Persivul]

What you say: Ika is a 1-shot doc, 1-shot vig who didn't shoot, or town RB.
A few posts later, you vote ika. If you think he's scum (scum to mean either mafia or SK), why the hell isn't that included in your setup calculations?

Is English your second language? Did you miss that I clearly like to throw a meaningless vote at ika just for shits and giggles?

No wonder we're down 2 VTs and a cop already with this quality of play.

We should wagon Persival instead of Brunneis imo

Yeah, that'll teach me for trying to liven up a dull game.

Later...

[MaxwellPuckett]

I saw that you like to throw votes at ika, I assumed that itself was a joke and that you wouldn't do so right this second. But yeah, make a judgement on the entire game based on my one post, do that.

[Varsoon]

You're saying that a mass-claim blows the utility of our roles by letting scum know who to kill, but I'm of a different opinion.
Our IC is already outed.
Our cop is already dead.
I was already roleblocked.
There are two kills a night confirmed, so this even further limits our role utility since there will be less nights to use the roles.


The utility of confirming two or more town is far better than my continued shots in the dark with doctor (assuming I even live to use it more) and whatever else we have.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Half prodge half game state update.

Nothings really changed, Ranger made an interesting post, I'll have to find it and explain when I have time.

BTW it's clear pers is being cute with his vote, however I don't see the town mindset in making that move. Meh.

Pedit: it's kind of pointless to discuss the ramifications of mass claiming at this point.

[The Fire Hermit]

Ika claim now.

[The Fire Hermit]

Seriously, we can figure this out easier if you didn't just soft-claim a PR which you didn't specify.

[duppin]

Persivul's vote was terrible. I mean, you tell town they are doing poorly, and then you go for a random vote for "shits and giggles". Uh, sure.
Anyway, I thought you quit mafia actually. You just returned? Welcome back then if that's the case.

I get the feeling ika isn't going to claim.

[Ika Musume]

ill talkt o pie tonight.

also if anyone take at least 5 fuckign seconds to iso me and read the talk i had with varsoon it should be apparent what i am claiming

i dont answer to you saint

[Persivul]

Yes, it's apparent what he is, if he's telling the truth. I was going to explain it earlier but according to Ranger this stuff is all obvious and doesn't need to be said.

I've read the last two calendar days of D1 and all of D2 and I know what he is.

[Persivul]

Persivul's vote was terrible. I mean, you tell town they are doing poorly, and then you go for a random vote for "shits and giggles". Uh, sure.

It's a game. Lighten up and have some fun. We're not breaking Al Qaeda secret code you know. But, it has served it's purpose now.

UNVOTE:

Anyway, I thought you quit mafia actually. You just returned? Welcome back then if that's the case.

Thanks!

I get the feeling ika isn't going to claim.

As he notes, you can figure it out from what's been said already. But if he doesn't want to give it up to scum directly, neither am I. Let them figure it out on their own...if they can!