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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:14 pm

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It's the way it was done by being a complete sheep with no logic behind it.

Logic comprises of premises and a conclusion. Observe:

1. Fraggernaut has been making contentless and fluffy posts.

2. People who make contentless and fluffy posts are usually scum.

3. Fraggernaut is scum.


Which of these 3 statements are you arguing with and claiming is bad logic?

The fact that this claim of me "not providing content" was the exact same thing I said to you which is a association I make between yourself & Bullet, which in turn leads to All Alone.

Are you proposing that, I, as scum, was accused of fluffing by you, and my scum buddy Bullet picked up on that and accused YOU of fluffing for reasons I cannot fathom, and my second scum buddy All Alone decided to sheep him, and then I decided to sheep
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, leading to all three scum on a town wagon on page 8? Is that what you think happened?

Thus that was hypocritical, cause All Alone claims I haven't pushed any of my scum reads; which ironically they haven't either.

So you do not deny that you haven't pushed any of your scum reads before All Alone called you out on it?

Fraggernaut, I think post 198 was extremely, extremely defensive. You repeatedly attack Bullet and All Alone to the extent of even going to draw pre-flip associations between them and me, then claim they are merely "scum leans". From the way you were talking, I would have expected you to list us three as confirmed scum. I think that RC has struck gold in her D1 accusations again.

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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:31 pm

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In post 199, All Alone wrote:
In post 193, Fraggernaut wrote:All Alone is still on their RVS vote as well, nor has made any effort to provide content to this game. Period. So them placing a vote on myself for "not trying to figure out the game" is pretty laughable in itself. If you were just " bandwagoning" a RVS vote to quickly get RVS over with; why haven't you pushed any possible scum yourself? It's not a play that town would make. It's a pity you made yourself this obvious so early on in the game All Alone, especially with possibly outing one of your partners in the process.


I'm not on my RVS vote. My vote is serious, and it just got even more serious. Your case on me doesn't read like a genuine scumhunt at all.


Please show me where your RVS vote on Accountant was "serious" in your four posts that provided absolutely nothing. You kept it on Accountant the whole RVS stage. So this statement is once again false.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:33 pm

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Please give me more votes so I can out my role & show you how dumb you are. :D K thanks.
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:35 pm

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In post 200, Accountant wrote:
It's the way it was done by being a complete sheep with no logic behind it.

Logic comprises of premises and a conclusion. Observe:

1. Fraggernaut has been making contentless and fluffy posts.

2. People who make contentless and fluffy posts are usually scum.

3. Fraggernaut is scum.


Which of these 3 statements are you arguing with and claiming is bad logic?

The fact that this claim of me "not providing content" was the exact same thing I said to you which is a association I make between yourself & Bullet, which in turn leads to All Alone.

Are you proposing that, I, as scum, was accused of fluffing by you, and my scum buddy Bullet picked up on that and accused YOU of fluffing for reasons I cannot fathom, and my second scum buddy All Alone decided to sheep him, and then I decided to sheep
her
, leading to all three scum on a town wagon on page 8? Is that what you think happened?

Thus that was hypocritical, cause All Alone claims I haven't pushed any of my scum reads; which ironically they haven't either.

So you do not deny that you haven't pushed any of your scum reads before All Alone called you out on it?

Fraggernaut, I think post 198 was extremely, extremely defensive. You repeatedly attack Bullet and All Alone to the extent of even going to draw pre-flip associations between them and me, then claim they are merely "scum leans". From the way you were talking, I would have expected you to list us three as confirmed scum. I think that RC has struck gold in her D1 accusations again.

moar votes on fragger plz


Accountant pulling the accusations out of thin air. Love it.

Do I think at least two are on my wagon? Now I do.

Where have you posted that wasn't fluff? Also you have no comment on my logically sound catch of All Alone's slip & were pretty quick to defend the slip.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:01 pm

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Where have you posted that wasn't fluff?

Dude.

If I go up to you and say "I'm accusing you of being a racist", and you deny it, it would be my job to prove what racist remarks you have made. Not going "what have you said that isn't racist?"

The burden of proof is on the accuser. I don't think any of my posts(save the first couple of posts during RVS) are fluff, and I'm not going to quote my entire ISO here.

logically sound catch of All Alone's slip & were pretty quick to defend the slip.

That's not a slip though. That's you pointing out that he was a hypocrite, which in no way means he's wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

This is you right now. If you actually are town, shape up your game and stop acting like lynchbait and lashing out at people who accuse you for no reason.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:02 pm

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Please give me more votes so I can out my role & show you how dumb you are.

Are you really fucking softclaiming right now.
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:08 pm

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If you weren't defensive against RC, You are defensive right now.

I can't accept this as a town move , and the way you soft claimed ..........

VOTE: Fraggernaut he is in L2 I guess

Lets see how will you react under more pressure ...
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:11 pm

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Just one more vote and you can "out your role and show us how dumb we are".
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:12 pm

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In post 205, Accountant wrote:
Please give me more votes so I can out my role & show you how dumb you are.

Are you really fucking softclaiming right now.


Hm. That's the fun of all this. Is it not?

Your vote is on me without logic. L2 is a pretty tight spot without a claim eh? Do you risk it?
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:13 pm

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In post 208, Fraggernaut wrote:
In post 205, Accountant wrote:
Please give me more votes so I can out my role & show you how dumb you are.

Are you really fucking softclaiming right now.


Hm. That's the fun of all this. Is it not?

Your vote is on me without logic. L2 is a pretty tight spot without a claim eh? Do you risk it?

This is either trolltown!Fraggernaut or caughtscum!Fraggernaut.

Either way, I don't want him in this game.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:15 pm

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In post 207, Accountant wrote:Just one more vote and you can "out your role and show us how dumb we are".


Who said I would completely out? You've yet to see the irony In your vote. Why as scum would I bring this much attention on myself early game? I certainly wouldn't if I was actually scum. Maybe you should go do a meta dive & learn about my play.

Pedit: Yet you're perfectly fine letting Radiant & others troll a whole page cause it takes the spotlight off you. Right Accountant?
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:16 pm

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Perhaps I am what I am. Or am willing to take a role bullet. Either way I'm always beneficial to town. I hope others in the game look at this wagon & see who is on it especially after I'm pretty sure I've caught at least two scum on it.
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:18 pm

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Top 4 scum.

1. Bullet
2. All Alone
3. Accountant
4. Frozen

Pretty sure there's two in there. Especially cause a trigger happy scum would be quick to jump on that statement to try to PR hunt.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:20 pm

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In post 206, Frozen Angel wrote:If you weren't defensive against RC, You are defensive right now.

I can't accept this as a town move , and the way you soft claimed ..........

VOTE: Fraggernaut he is in L2 I guess

Lets see how will you react under more pressure ...


Also it's pretty bad play for Frozen to put me at L2 without stating intent cause scum can quick hammer a mislynch right here. So always look at Frozen as well.
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:23 pm

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Why as scum would I bring this much attention on myself early game?

There are plenty of scum who bring a shitload of attention on themselves early game. Just a quick example from a game I was spectating:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7175179

ktthecreeper, as scum, naked voting and trying to hammer someone on page 2.

Maybe you should go do a meta dive & learn about my play.

Why would I do this? Meta is worthless.

Yet you're perfectly fine letting Radiant & others troll a whole page cause it takes the spotlight off you. Right Accountant?

I don't want the spotlight to be off me. I love being in the spotlight, as either alignment, because I play best when I'm playing active. That's why I made aggressive accusations day 1 and why I repeatedly interrogated a bunch of players. Not to mention, I did actually call them out on it and tell them to stop:

Please do not do this.


PEdits:

Perhaps I am what I am. Or am willing to take a role bullet. Either way I'm always beneficial to town.

The only role that is willing to take a bullet due to an un-asked for softclaim is a vanilla townie. Is that what you're claiming?

Also it's pretty bad play for Frozen to put me at L2 without stating intent cause scum can quick hammer a mislynch right here. So always look at Frozen as well.

No it fucking wouldn't, because scum would never do that, because if someone quickhammered without stating intent themselves they'd get lynched tomorrow.
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:27 pm

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@Accountant who have I naked voted on? No one. I've gave sound logic for my vote on All Alone & backed it up. Who have I tried to quick hammer? No one. Cause I believe in leaving my vote in one spot until something pings put weird to me, thus making me change my vote. Your example is null & void cause it represents in no way my play.
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:28 pm

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@Frozen Pressure doesn't bother me at all. I welcome it.
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:31 pm

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I also want to hear more from Slandaar, Fuzzy, & Errant.

Also I need to look at Vedith more.
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:32 pm

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In post 202, Fraggernaut wrote:Please give me more votes
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:34 pm

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In post 61, Vedith wrote:
In post 59, Accountant wrote:A lot of quick bandwagons are formed on D1; scum doesn't want to get scrutinized for being on a fishy wagon, or get scrutinized for not being on a popular one. Scum also want to avoid getting associated to their partner in early RVS.


That's not true...
Scum want to look town and fit in. What do town do day 1? They normally make shit wagons and lynch a townie.
They can also make a new vote on someone, and as it's RVS, it means fuck all.


Indeed they do Vedith. Indeed they do.

In reference to that second line.
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:36 pm

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I feel that continuing to talk to Fraggernaut won't be productive any more, due to the way he's acting right now. I'm just going to leave it for a bit.
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:47 pm

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You can talk to me all you want. I've answered questions you've posed. Seems pretty counter-productive not to want to talk to other town.
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:50 pm

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The thing is, I don't think you're town. The attitude you are espousing is also irritating to talk to and the way you answer my questions is sarcastic and you also refuse to give me real information. For example, instead of building an actual case against All Alone and Bullet, you tend to repeatedly call them hypocrites and talk about how they are scumwagoning you. This is a bad thing. Unless you have something new to share, I'm not interested in hearing your shit repeated a second time.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:55 pm

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In post 222, Accountant wrote:The thing is, I don't think you're town. The attitude you are espousing is also irritating to talk to and the way you answer my questions is sarcastic and you also refuse to give me real information. For example, instead of building an actual case against All Alone and Bullet, you tend to repeatedly call them hypocrites and talk about how they are scumwagoning you. This is a bad thing. Unless you have something new to share, I'm not interested in hearing your shit repeated a second time.


I gave you a case in my ISO of what little All Alone has provided so far. It's not my fault you refuse to look at it.

Did I not say that my play I'm always sarcastic. Sorry. Thought a player would have thicker skin when it comes to the game.

It's kinda amusing how irritated you are right now with not being able to push your agenda & scum further on me. You seem to be frustrated & are now trying to backpeddle slowly off this wagon to save face. You've been reaching for quite a bit of this game. I've gave you real information, you just are so close minded that you can't read between the lines or just plain out refuse to even attempt to see my view of logic.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:02 pm

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Fragger, one question.

What is your read on Accountant and why?

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