Mini 1723: Town of Helen Day 4

Jingle · Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:22 am

Prodding Vedith.

Vedith · Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:09 am

With the swapping alignment, wouldn't that suggest the werewolf?

pistachi0n · Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:14 pm

So here are the flavors I've received:

GuiltyLion believes the government has been using Facebook and similar services to spy on citizens. He also believes they're trying to kill him to silence him.

^Consistent with what he's told us.

Vedith believes there are aliens experimenting on everyone in the town. He also believes they're trying to silence anyone talking about them.

^Suggests to me a pro-town role to counteract alien stuff.

Flubbernugget believes there is an evil consortium of banks controlling the entire world from the shadows, killing anyone to further their plots.

^??????

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:45 pm

Now tell me why my play was scummy

Because right now your flavor cracking sucks

What does "consistent with what he told us" even mean? That he claimed cop? Why is flavor claiming town? (I don't remember that happening either way tbh)

Vedith · Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:15 am

In post 1277, pistachi0n wrote:So here are the flavors I've received:

GuiltyLion believes the government has been using Facebook and similar services to spy on citizens. He also believes they're trying to kill him to silence him.

^Consistent with what he's told us.

Vedith believes there are aliens experimenting on everyone in the town. He also believes they're trying to silence anyone talking about them.

^Suggests to me a pro-town role to counteract alien stuff.

Flubbernugget believes there is an evil consortium of banks controlling the entire world from the shadows, killing anyone to further their plots.

^??????

I don't get this?
Maybe I missed it? You are a flavour cop?

pistachi0n · Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:06 pm

Yes. Compare Flubber's flavor to ETL's.

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:05 am

No. Explain.

pistachi0n · Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:31 am

ETL thought the world was controlled by an evil computer. Flubber thinks banks. Both are focused on broader conspiracies, as opposed to alien-specific or individual (they're out to get *me*)

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:36 am

So unless you want to make a scum case on an un cc'd cop and explain how there's two scum in a 4p situation you're still making no fucking sense

pistachi0n · Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:33 pm

What? I never said there are 2 scum. I said there is 1 scum. And it is you.

Vedith · Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:35 pm

GL, some input?

GuiltyLion · Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:15 pm

Flubber is 99% town IMO. ETL's role PM makes it sound like the Alien team was just two people, and I cannot believe Flubber prematurely invented the RB claim to clear himself, he has no way of knowing JK existed as a role and that no one else would claim RB'd. And his play all game has looked town.

Pista's push on him makes no sense but I don't know if it comes from desperate scum or confused town. Pistachi0n why aren't you considering Vedith as 3rd party scum?

Flubber who is your pick for scum right now? Does this pistachi0n push feel genuine to you?

GuiltyLion · Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:16 pm

It's basically guaranteed the scum is 3P given the ETL death and two kills per night all game with no one claiming vig. So Vedith being afraid of aliens just means he's not alien faction.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:18 pm

Game kinda feels like a tossup to me as I have no idea how to read difference between solo 3P scum and town. At some point I will look over D1 again for clues. Leaning towards scum!pistachi0n but why would scum have flavor cop ability?

Jingle · Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:23 pm

VOTE COUNT 4.2

Flavor.

Flubbernugget (1): pistachi0n
pistachi0n (1): Vedith,
GuiltyLion (0):
Vedith (0):

Not Voting (2): Guilty Lion, Flubbernugget,

It is currently Day 4. With 4 alive it is 3 to Lynch or 2 to No Lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-11-18 23:00:00)

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:34 pm

In post 1284, pistachi0n wrote:What? I never said there are 2 scum. I said there is 1 scum. And it is you.

The problem is that if you actually apply the logic you're trying to apply to your flavor cracking instead of just saying you are you would realize that there would be 2 scum w/ four players and the game hasn't been called and therefore your theory is wrong

@GL what's stopping me right now from voting pist is that I never has a strong read on vedith and he's doing nothing to change that. Between these two who has your suspicion?

pistachi0n · Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:37 pm

In post 1286, GuiltyLion wrote:Pista's push on him makes no sense but I don't know if it comes from desperate scum or confused town. Pistachi0n why aren't you considering Vedith as 3rd party scum?

I've considered it. But why would someone anti-alien also be anti-town?

GuiltyLion · Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:40 pm

@Flubber - I think it could be either, which is frustrating as I don't know how to meaningfully advance a read on someone in MYLO. You summed it up well with respect to Vedith and never having a read on him. I gave him towncred for voteparking on Titus but neither player has done anything to make an impression on this game.

pistachi0n is making no sense but I'm almost inclined to think that it comes from town. Scum should be more careful with presenting a cogent narrative.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:41 pm

@pistachi0n because I'm pretty sure we're looking for third party scum here, like I keep saying.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:45 pm

Like if we're gonna randomly flavorspec then I wouldn't be surprised if Vedith is a SK who is so afraid of aliens invading the town that he's killing everyone he's suspicious of.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:05 pm

ISOing SW points to Vedith as scum as well. We know she was the 3P NK because Aliens cleaned Rob. She was starting to suspect Vedith but had pistachi0n as a townread.

pistachi0n · Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:42 pm

In post 1294, GuiltyLion wrote:Like if we're gonna randomly flavorspec then I wouldn't be surprised if Vedith is a SK who is so afraid of aliens invading the town that he's killing everyone he's suspicious of.

That's true.

I was aware we were looking for third party scum. But I thought someone specifically against aliens would be aligned with town--I still thought Flubber was scum.

But this is convincing.

UNVOTE:

Vedith · Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:51 am

In post 1294, GuiltyLion wrote:Like if we're gonna randomly flavorspec then I wouldn't be surprised if Vedith is a SK who is so afraid of aliens invading the town that he's killing everyone he's suspicious of.

You've seen my scum game. If you really think that I'm playing as scum then it's really going to be a loss.
The logic you give here would suggest that I would be killing Aliens and that killing them would result in us winning.
We haven't won. Pist is lying for me.

@Pist, what night did you check me?

Vedith · Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:53 am

In post 1295, GuiltyLion wrote:ISOing SW points to Vedith as scum as well. We know she was the 3P NK because Aliens cleaned Rob. She was starting to suspect Vedith but had pistachi0n as a townread.

Again, you've seen my scum game. Why would I kill someone who is suspecting me when I can push for them as scum?
It makes no sense.

pistachi0n · Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:13 pm

In post 1297, Vedith wrote:@Pist, what night did you check me?

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