Blitz 4: Kingmaker (game over)

[Spiffeh]

Ok, I am removing Smithereens from the lynch today. It is possible she's scum and is faking, I don't think so. I'm inclined to give the newbie time unless someone makes a good case for her being scum as that's close to a town tell.

Now as for the lynch, you can vote anyone but me or Smithereens. After 36 hours, everyone who lacks a vote will not be the lynch. Any wagon reaching hammer will be the lynch. I will not have a vote for these purposes but I function as a bad wagon vetoed (which I plan to use sparingly, basically if a wagon is driven only by fallacies or insults).

Good luck.

I would expect town Titus to be a lot less crowd pleasing as the king so I don't like this post.

[Sakura Hana]

just because I don't state the exact reason at that time doesn't mean the reasons don't exist

Well i know, but you just kept saying "Oh X is scum" "I don't like this" "X is scum too" etc... that's odd.

And let me get this straight, you're not giving reasons, because when you did you ended up tunneling into a 1v1 TvT in EoSD (which was largely part of the reason i scumread pie because she kept fueling it?)

[Spiffeh]

So Sakura you're saying that all reasons for statements such as "I think ______ is scum" must be attached or you consider them fake?

[Spiffeh]

Sakura I'm not trying to get into a tunnel that obviously didn't work last time.

I'm trying to be more expansive in finding scum and not latching onto one thing.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm referring to doing stuff like this:

Fuck Titus might be scum

As opposed to what you did here:

I could see Smithereens being scum.

Trying to latch onto something easy to argue against (read: your bad reasons for suspecting me) without letting me even react to it.

Like, i think it should be obvious what i'm talking about yet you just want to keep your accusation on me, is it because you're gonna look bad if you stop, or you just want a repeat of EoSD, i don't get it...

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura I'm not trying to get into a tunnel that obviously didn't work last time.

I'm trying to be more expansive in finding scum and not latching onto one thing.

Yeah and obviously accusing everyone that votes you of being scum is a great way to do that.

[Sakura Hana]

I think it's better to come back to this tomorrow with a clearer head, im obviously not even gonna consider anything but you scum after you come at me with BS meta statements based off me having a life.

[Smithereens]

he gave reasons for titus too.

[Sakura Hana]

he gave reasons for titus too.

Well yeah... way later, after he was getting attacked for not giving out reasons and just throwing accusations.

[Smithereens]

he gave reasons for titus too.

Well yeah... way later, after he was getting attacked for not giving out reasons and just throwing accusations.

Accountant only gave her reasons after she was attacked too, yet you didn't have an issue with her.

[Spiffeh]

I said I was fine with your reasons for your absence and that I think you will obvtown for me if you are actually town.

Votes don't even mean anything in this game and it doesn't mean the posts of yours I didn't like have disappeared.

When you come back please present your reads of the rest of the game.

PEdit: Yes when I notice people want reasons for my reads I provide them. You're acting like people have had to twist my arm to get me to explain my reads when that's not the case.

[Accountant]

I think tex is scum now. He's not even making any effort to suss out people's alignments. I don't see the "I am trying to figure out the game" attitude in any of his posts, even less than Spiffeh.

VOTE: texcat

Probably my final vote of the day given that this is blitz, unless someone claims scum or some shit

[Titus]

@Sakura, The Spiffeh was too easy too obvious. No one defended him before I spoke up. Spiffeh attacking Queen Titus doesn't make sense as scum either. Not lynching Spiffeh.

@Spiffeh, Votes aren't binding but they do plenty for me. They're plenty relevant for today.

Thoughts on Bard and Wanderer?

[Smithereens]

Tisk, That's not even remotely convincing Accountant..

[Titus]

@Accountant, A sudden 180 to your counter wagon in my mind, abandoning the day with almost two days to deadline wtf?

[Spiffeh]

Accountant explain why you care who's on my wagon when you still hold to the belief that I'm not town?

Titus they are basically non-entities and don't remember anything they posted.

I wouldn't mind a BlockyMan execution actually

UH OH I DIDN'T GIVE A REASON EVERYONE POINT THAT OUT FOR TOWN CRED

[Titus]

@Spiffeh, why do you think no one's pushed a lurker lynch or tried to engage them? (Blocky would be a lol hammer).

@Sakura, Why do I feel you're wking me?

[Sakura Hana]

UH OH I DIDN'T GIVE A REASON EVERYONE POINT THAT OUT FOR TOWN CRED

...

[Sakura Hana]

@Sakura, Why do I feel you're wking me?

I am reverse reading you, like always.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway im off to bed... too tired right now to think and solve this.

[Spiffeh]

he gave reasons for titus too.

Well yeah... way later, after he was getting attacked for not giving out reasons and just throwing accusations.

Accountant only gave her reasons after she was attacked too, yet you didn't have an issue with her.

Sakura can you respond to this actually?

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura can you respond to this actually?

Yeah i did read Accountant's ISO to find out what she was talking about, accountant did give a reason for scumreading you "lashing out" which then she evolved into "doubt casting" when she was called out on it to then "throwing shit and see what sticks". I do find it odd and it's making me rethink, but as i said... will come tomorrow.

[Smithereens]

welp. goodnight~! <3

[Wanderer-nl]

I feel like I'm in the wrong timezone for this playerlist..

Accountant's turnaround on Spiffeh was weird. She doesn't seem to have changed her mind on him, and I'm really curious about her answer to who she's uncomfortable with exactly on Spiffeh's wagon, and why that's enough to vote somewhere else.

Sakura's push on Spiffeh doesn't feel like it's going anywhere, my gut says it's TvT because I don't think scum would keep pushing this long and attract all this unnecessary attention to themselves.
@Sakura: What exactly did you like about Accountant's case on Spiffeh?
I think for Day 1 Spiffeh is doing ok and I'm still townleaning him.

There's no point continuing, since it was mainly an attack to see what response I could illicit. I'm not interested in Accountant atm, her original post wasn't scummy and her defense was normal.

If you didn't really believe she was scum (which I'm assuming from what you're saying here) then why spend all that time investigating her? Wouldn't you be better off investigating the people scumreading her?
And again I ask you: are you satisfied with what you got? As in; have you been able to improve your reads on any of the players while you were pushing her? Anything you're willing to share about this?

@Titus: I actually expected you to turbo-execute me. I'm happy you didn't.

[Firebringer]

based off me having a life.