Touhou UPick 4 - [Aborted]

[Sakura Hana]

Ftr i didn't start in that neighborhood, i was neighborized.
That being said notty did want us to vote you for reactions, i actually think your reactions look town tho?
I'm going back here
VOTE: Shadoweh

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.7

• notscience [
  1
  ] -
  
• pieguyn [
  2
  ] - borkjerfkin
  
• Sakura Hana [0] -
  
• zMuffinMan [
  -4
  ] -
  
• Shadoweh [3] - Kilgamayan, thdgkdms, Sakura Hana
  
• Sky_Paladin [0] -
  
• The_Relentless [2] - pieguyn, Katsuki
  
• GuyInFreezer [0] -
  
• SXTLHGaiden [0] -
  
• Katsuki [1] - notscience
  
• Kagami [0] -
  
• Feysal [4] - Sky_Paladin, Kagami (x3)
  
• borkjerfkin [0] -
  
• thdgkdms [1] - Chocola
  
• Kilgamayan [
  3
  ] -
  
• Chocola [0] -

Not Voting [6]

- Shadoweh, GuyInFreezer, zMuffinMan, SXTLHGaiden, Feysal, The_Relentless

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch

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Deadline is November 15, 2015, at 2 PM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2015-11-15 16:00:00)

Notes:

• You cannot target Katsuki with spellcards in this Day Phase, unless your vote is on Katsuki.
  
• The main thread will remain open in the coming Night Phase.

[SXTLHGaiden]

OK
Gaiden's here now!
so what's happening? i see shiny new wagons.

[Kagami]

Just waiting for Feysal and being sad that there's no party.

[Kagami]

Ftr i didn't start in that neighborhood, i was neighborized.

Was it ns or pie who invited you?

[SXTLHGaiden]

Kagamin, let me know when you have a neighborhood. there are things to discuss.

[SXTLHGaiden]

oh yeah, how does a "gladiate" work?

[Kagami]

I imagine in the typical way, that only the gladiated players and possibly No Lynch can receive votes.

[SXTLHGaiden]

hah.
based on what muffin had said, i thought it was a single target thing (i looked up stuffs on the wiki).
does this mean that when he gladiates a person, we can only choose between that player or a no lynch?

[Kagami]

and himself, of course, or it wouldn't be fun!

[SXTLHGaiden]

right, so muffin goes into a "it's me or them" type thing.
hmmm

[Sakura Hana]

Ftr i didn't start in that neighborhood, i was neighborized.

Was it ns or pie who invited you?

Not sure if they are ok with me mentioning this, but they can claim it if they want

[SXTLHGaiden]

if i had to guess, i would guess it was pie.
for reasons, of course

[zMuffinMan]

when was it revealed that sakura is in a neighbourhood?

i'm not caught up and prob won't be til late tonight but i've skimmed stuff and seen several mentions of it but i didn't see it claimed before this page

[Sky_Paladin]

@Muffin

I thought Sakura might be in a neighbourhood with Pie from their early phase interactions.

This post from Sakura suggested she was in a neighbourhood with Not Science this post and Not Science's immediate follow up confirmed it. I didn't know Pie was in the same neighbourhood for sure until just now.

[GuyInFreezer]

D☆O★D☆G★E

[Kilgamayan]

A thought occurs that I don't remember if anyone else specifically articulated it already.

Muffin, why did you use your -4 to support the idea of your role all-but-proving you to be town when you knew of at least one powered-up vote role (your own)? Did you think there couldn't possibly be another one?

[Sakura Hana]

when was it revealed that sakura is in a neighbourhood?

i'm not caught up and prob won't be til late tonight but i've skimmed stuff and seen several mentions of it but i didn't see it claimed before this page

it was a guess made by Relentless when us 3 voted him (Katsuki joined for... no reason?), notty and pie have had a neighborhood since day start, i got neighborized into it not too long ago.

[Feysal]

Okay, what happened here?

I'm rather annoyed at Notscience right now. I thought I knew how he plays by now, but seeing him isolate himself in an ivory tower with his cabal and attack someone for daring to question him is something new. It is so overt it is not even suspicious, but it is definitely not pro-town either. What the hell do you think you are doing?

I also find it odd that Pieguyn obediently votes with Notscience and Sakura Hana, when last I heard in thread she was wary of them both. Maybe something happened in their neighborhood, but since I cannot see it I have no idea how I should feel about that, and I don't like it. At least Sakura Hana is probably town in that group, but I would prefer to make my own judgement.

What are your reasons for doubting me?

Your focus on MuffinMan. You have spent several posts talking about him and his role, but little else. You said you got a town read on Sakura Hana from it which is fine, but since then you've said you did not want to talk about it any more and that you were sick of it. So talk about something else, what is stopping you? I don't see why it would be productive to question other people on how they feel about you because of it.

Also this is you projecting your experiences onto my approach. Why?

Whose experience should I trust if not my own? I don't agree that it would be wise to town read Pieguyn based on tone, not when she is obviously capable of projecting a town tone as scum.

There's also the thing whether his quadvoter abilities have LyLo clause, worst case scenario he just becomes unlynchable, but he can still lose the game for town if the lynch goes wrong.

Fair enough. I did not consider the fact that MuffinMan could be endgamed as town. I'm used to thinking that scum wins when nothing can stop them from killing everyone else, but this game is different.

Just waiting for Feysal and being sad that there's no party.

Waiting for what exactly? I don't think I missed a question from you or anything.

[pieguyn]

I also find it odd that Pieguyn obediently votes with Notscience and Sakura Hana, when last I heard in thread she was wary of them both. Maybe something happened in their neighborhood, but since I cannot see it I have no idea how I should feel about that, and I don't like it. At least Sakura Hana is probably town in that group, but I would prefer to make my own judgement.

it was 100% for reactions; I had a minor town read on Relentless and I agree his reaction to it looked town.

I'm pretty sure I've said in-thread I think Sakura is town?

I might not get to this until tomorrow.

[Kilgamayan]

Feysal: Is !science town or scum? Is pieguy town or scum?

[pieguyn]

i am rethinking my approach to the bork/zmuffin situation, btw

certain events have me thinking about the setup a bit and i don't think my initial assessment was correct although i haven't figured out if/how it affects my reads. i'll have more to say when i have more of a chance to sit down with this game

[pieguyn]

Whose experience should I trust if not my own? I don't agree that it would be wise to town read Pieguyn based on tone, not when she is obviously capable of projecting a town tone as scum.

also ftr this is why i asked

i don't know how you intend to read me based on tone after that game. this is more the case when afaict a large part of your reasoning for town reading me in Forest Fire was for posts similar to the ones i faked D2 of that game. correct me if i'm wrong or if there is some nuance to this i'm missing

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Kagami

My first vote.

[GuyInFreezer]

L-1.