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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:02 am

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In post 346, Slandaar wrote:
In post 335, Keyser Söze wrote:Slandaar, wtf man? Seriously.

I had no time on the weekend. It happens.

Sorry - I'm getting increasingly impatient on mafiascum these days x


In post 345, Vedith wrote:No, give me the down low.

Should I think differently at this stage?

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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:05 am

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In post 350, Keyser Söze wrote:I would prefer to hear your thoughts, and which items you choose to flag.


I have nothing to present to you as it stands.
I'll chime in through out the day, but the catch up won't be while I'm at work.
I claim scum \o/
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:30 am

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Ok, here is everyone/everything that Fraggernaut has flagged. Both negative (scummy) and positive (town).

Negative (scum)

"Accountant your claims are far reaches. If you really wanted to dive into meta, you could read my past games." [Accountant]
"Trying to bury town early based on Meta." [Accountant]
"Meaning he could be possible scum" [Keyser Söze]
"your questioning has been weird & looks pretty fluffy when it comes to "Scum Hunting"" [Accountant]
"It seems like you're trying to overcompensate on me not providing links & are reaching for any way to get a in for a mislynch later." [Accountant]
"the way you answered about inattentativness being a scummy trait pinged out for me" [BulletNLynchproof]
"Could obvious scum be this obvious?" [TheFuzzylogic99]
"Just getting snug in Parient's pocket" [PatientZer0]
"All Alone sheeped a horrible read from Bullet" [All Alone]
"It's a split between Bullet/All Alone" [BulletNLynchproof, All Alone]
"It's not a play that town would make" [All Alone]
"Could it be as easy as a Bullet/All Alone/Accountant team?" [BulletNLynchproof, All Alone, Accountant]
"I believe to be a scum slip" [All Alone]
"Pretty great though that I got three of my scum leans on my wagon now" [BulletNLynchproof, All Alone, Accountant]
"this statement is once again false." [All Alone]
"Accountant pulling the accusations out of thin air" [Accountant]
"Top 4 scum. 1. Bullet 2. All Alone 3. Accountant 4. Frozen" [BulletNLynchproof, All Alone, Accountant, Frozen Angel]
"So always look at Frozen as well." [Frozen Angel]
"It's kinda amusing how irritated you are right now with not being able to push your agenda & scum further on me." [Accountant]
"I still think AT LEAST one of the three are scum." [BulletNLynchproof, All Alone, Accountant]
"she doesn't want to talk to me (town) which makes her scum" [Accountant]
"Anything else you want to try to mis-rep?" [RadiantCowbells]
"Therfore if Scum Accountant doesn't want to talk to me , when I'm town, that goes against my town win-con." [Accountant]
"Know Radiant & Accountant single handily already threw this game OR are just scum with either Bullet or All Alone" [RadiantCowbells, Accountant, BulletNLynchproof, All Alone]
"Radiant/Accountant with a outside of Bullet or All Alone." [RadiantCowbells, Accountant, BulletNLynchproof, All Alone]
"Keep Mis-repping Radiant." [RadiantCowbells]
"That's two times now you've mis-repped me. A heavy scum trait." [RadiantCowbells]
"Not even true in the slightest. Keep lying Radiant." [RadiantCowbells]
"Waiting it out as scum to watch a mislynch?" [TheFuzzylogic99]


Positive (town)

"slight early town lean on Accountant" [Accountant]
"I have a slight town lean on you" [Accountant]
"I'm actually pretty flabbergasted that someone with as many games played could be this bad at town" [RadiantCowbells]
"My read on Keyser thus far has been based on his actions, this game." [Keyser Söze]

Fraggernaut's town/null/scum read list
(post 281)


Ok, straight away you can see 2 main problems which I also saw when I previously played with town-Fraggernaut (which I scum-read him for):

(1) He is casting suspicion and throwing accusations on his scum, null and town-reads. Any paranoia/suspicion he can think of he will post it (regardless of his read on that person).
Notice that at the beginning he was highlighting all the objectively scummy things Accountant was posting, but he still had a "slight early town lean" on him.
He called me "possible scum" - but did he even have a scum-read on me? Moreover, he was fixated with bad-town RadiantCowbells, flagging all his scummy behaviour - however, in the end RadiantCowbells is labelled as "equal" scummy to Accountant, BulletNLynchproof and All Alone. Fraggernaut even adds TheFuzzylogic99 to his long-list of flaggable scum-offences for "Waiting it out as scum to watch a mislynch".

[Conclusion: basically, this extreme fight-fire-with-fire style means Fraggernaut does not make any friends. Fraggernaut has not backed down. He doesn't care about his own survival because he is convinced he is right. I think a scum-aligned player would be more concerned about surviving D1. You can say Fraggernaut is being very defensive, but in the end it's actually harming him].

(2) He has many null (incomplete) reads. By being obsessed with his own wagon, he has neglected engaging with the other 8 players in the game. Again, this makes him win no favours with the 'other crowd'.


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I'm going to need to look at an example of scum-Fraggernaut to see if these 'extreme' traits are evident. I'm currently leaning town on Fraggernaut (and suspecting maybe 1 opportunistic scum on his L-2 wagon), but this may change.
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:37 am

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In post 25, Fraggernaut wrote:Keyser will spend most of day one & two tunneling the shit out of me & being
completely wrong on my alignment.

My town-lean on Fraggernaut makes the above statement even more amusing now :giggle:
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:29 am

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In post 347, Vedith wrote:Why is that terrible?
Voice is power.

:neutral:
In post 348, BNL wrote:Slandaar, what? Isn't it bad to turbolynch since it cuts off discussion for town?

Not really the point.

You are asking a question which does not need asking. He just made a case on Fragger and your main thought is to ask why he wants to 'turbo lynch' Fragger. You expected him to say 'here's my case lets sit around the camp fire discussing things for 5 days?' ridiculous.
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:48 am

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In post 269, BNL wrote:Here is my reads list:

Fraggernaut

RadiantCowbells

All Alone

Do you read
Fraggernaut vs RadiantCowbells
and
Fraggernaut vs All Alone
as scum vs scum.
Or are you disregarding associations for D1?
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:52 am

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It makes it so much better cause they actually think they're right.


This literally proves exactly what I was saying, thanks.
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:16 am

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FB, can we have a VC please? :)
I claim scum \o/
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:40 am

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my current town/scum reads : top to down - town to scum

Keyser Söze

His posts make me smile :) He is a good observer and obviously scumhunting. has nothing on him right now

PatientZer0

hmm. He has some valid points about the game. I request him to clarify his stance.

Accountant

She is a town bloody murderer in my opinion. These kinds of offensive play in day 1 brings information. untill I see a really scummy mistake from her, You can't convince me she is scum becuase of her offensive playstyle.

BulletNLynchproof

well he had his downs and ups. His vote against Frag seems genuine but his attack against AA seems a bit harash. Don't know what should I think about him so far.

RadiantCowbells

well she is just like Accountant, But extremely emotional instead of rational. As i mentioned before I'll stay null at her unless I find something out of boundries and her play style is not suspicious in my opinion.

Vedith

well his recent posts seems like some kind of lurking. I'm waiting for a stance from him.

Errantparabola

NULL

All Alone

He jumped on Frag's wagon so fast after Bullets join without mentioning a valid reason. + got ridiculously defensive against Bullet post. that in mind I ill check her ISO after this post again.

TheFuzzylogic99

Didn't contributed so much to the game. Is he busy in real life? or just wait us to make a lynch and make his work easy as a scum? I'm waiting for his response to Keyser's vote.

Slandaar

the only thing you gave us is a vote and an example about a fire camp. You need to be more active.

Fraggernaut

I already mentioned why I hold my vote against her a lot . his responses has no logic / no value in my opinion. Even a paranoid town won't panic like that. as Keyser's view. I think he is just hurting himself by playing such defensive and to be a paranoid defender.

BlockyMan

Well blocky hasn't provided anything useful so far. he keeps telling that my posts are nonsense (which makes me pretty angry as a human being :/ ) plus he defends Frag in a very odd way. his scum-o-meter post makes me angry. it seems he desperately try to broadcast Frag as a town as much as keyser is known as a town for everyone else. and I can't see why he thinks I'm 8/10 scummy ...
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:47 am

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In post 341, All Alone wrote:"they actually think they're right."

HAHAHAHAHA YOU SLIPPED AND ADMITTED ACCOUNTANT AND I ARE GENUINE

PILE VOTES ON FRAGGER FOR THE TURBOLYNCH, THANKS


You think you're right as in you're dead wrong on my alignment yet continue to try to tunnel me when your wagon is falling apart. It's cute though.

@Frozen in response to your #342. I still think there's at least one between All Alone/Accountant/Bullet & Radiant. So yes I'm still scum reading them. Their continue attempts to tunnel me may just be VI but out of the four there's at least one if not two scum.

@Vedith Your #345 is weird af. Why are you asking someone else if you should change your read on someone? This could be considered a form of apeasement to appear towny to others. It's like saying "what do you want from me" which is usually from a scum perspective.
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:51 am

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hm, I still think bullet is the most scummy right now. After biology i will have to go through the thread again and update this post.
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:06 am

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In post 359, Fraggernaut wrote:@Vedith Your #345 is weird af. Why are you asking someone else if you should change your read on someone? This could be considered a form of apeasement to appear towny to others. It's like saying "what do you want from me" which is usually from a scum perspective.


It was more sarcasm.
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:38 am

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I still would like to know if Blocky is independently reading me town just based on this game, or if he is reading me town just solely based on previous game experiences in a attempt to try to sway me over to his side or pocket me. So far his repeated attempts to try defend me leave me skeptical & are lacking any real content other then "I'm town" In regards to his read on me.

@Vedith Noted. A lot of what I say in game sarcastically is taken serious. Things such as "how should I read someone?" could easily be seen as a scum trying to fit in amongst the town as people try to repeatedly get me mislynched.

@Slandaar How are you reading me compared between our last encounter? Also how are you reading the main perpetrators on my wagon trying to force my mislynch?

I also pose that last question to Slandaar to Fuzzy, Blocky, & Errant as I haven't heard much out of them. Also anyone I might of missed.
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:40 am

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Also

@Keyser What are your thoughts on the Bullet counter-wagon?
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:42 am

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In post 353, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 25, Fraggernaut wrote:Keyser will spend most of day one & two tunneling the shit out of me & being
completely wrong on my alignment.

My town-lean on Fraggernaut makes the above statement even more amusing now :giggle:


Don't be too salty now :lol:

That was said more as a joke.
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:48 am

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@Mod


VC please & Thank you.
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:53 am

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@Keyser

A lot of the quotes in your #352 post are incomplete or taken out of context. Such as when I had a slight town lean on Accountant that was very early game. As the day progressed & I analyzed Accountant's game, my read on them changed. Such is what the game of Mafia is all about. It's a solid analysis & I'm still reading you pretty town, but the post itself has some flaws.
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:55 am

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So things didn’t work out with our corporate sponsor guys. But that’s okay, because Coca-cola has offered us a new deal! We just have to sign away our souls and in exchange we get us much coke as we want!! Anyone else thinking what I am thinking?

Score!


Vote Count #1.5:


Errantparabola (L-6): Vedith

BulletNLynchproof (L-4): Errantparabola, PatientZer0, Slandarr

TheFuzzylogicc9 (L-6): Keyser Soze

Fraggernaut (L-3): RadiantCowbells, All Alone, Accountant, Frozen Angel


RadiantCowbells (L-6): BlockyMan

All Alone (L-5): Fraggernaut, BulletNLynchProof


Not Voting: TheFuzzylogic99

With 13 people alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


V/LA:
None.

Deadline:
(expired on 2015-11-14 01:45:00)
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:04 am

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Errantparabola is receiving a prod

Prod due for Blockyman and TheFuzzLogic99 ins 1 hour.
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:53 am

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Prod recieved.
I have read things, just no time to respond.
Reat assured, crew, that i will be here in a few hours in earnest.
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:01 pm

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UNVOTE: Errant - You live for now! :evil:
VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

I'm not feeling the Fraggernaut votes to be honest.

Is BlockyMan's vote serious or RVS?
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:54 pm

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BACK SORRY SCHOOL
VOTE SERIOUS
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:00 pm

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@MOD
NO ON THE COKE DEAL
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:01 pm

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In post 371, BlockyMan wrote:BACK SORRY SCHOOL
VOTE SERIOUS


Then you should unvote and vote for scum.
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:10 pm

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My Scumread are bullet him and frozen, do i vote bullet?

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