TAKE 2: the first thing I want to point about Brunneis is that I find their frustration for basically the entire game to be incredibly town, and I have no idea how everyone is overlooking this. it's difficult for me to pull up specific posts about this because it's more of a body of work thing, but in short, take a look at their D2 play. their D2 play has consisted of basically antagonizing every single person in the game. look at their reactions to, e.g. grayfoxx and duppin throughout this game day (some of which I'm pulling for this post but that's not all of them) - in general, they believe one or both of them are scum and, rather than attempting to deflect the pressure, they're addressing it head-on and escalating it by pushing them as scum to counter it. I think this kind of play, when done to the extent it is here, makes a lot more sense coming from town as opposed to scum - I would expect scum in this position to be a lot more generally agreeable and not so "gung ho push everyone and not give a shit about what people think".
there's also a significant lack of appeals to anyone in the game (the IC being the main one) which is the sort of thing I would expect more from scum in this position - it's not scum attempting to get out of being lynched, it's town hoping to make as much impact on the game as possible hoping people will listen to it after their flip. I could see scum adopting it thinking it was the only real approach they could take, but there's literally fucking nothing there; it would take a particularly confident scum player to double down on it so hard as they would have done here. and, if you look at their interactions with everyone else in the game, there's basically nothing there in terms of appeals, either (hardly any interactions at all in some cases).
the next thing is that I'm pretty sure just about everyone in this game has voted them at some point? if they're scum, they're being bussed by somebody, and at this point in the game, I don't feel particularly good about the odds of scum bussing unless the scum team is playing suboptimally (they basically win if they can reach tomorrow with no scum deaths), which is not an assumption I would want to make. in this situation, when they're clearly being pushed by at least one scum, I think it's significantly more reliable to scum hunt in the people pushing the wagon as their pushes will come off at least somewhat disingenuous regardless (scum know that they are correct, but not why they are correct).
In post 286, Brunneis wrote:Ika Musume - Ika straight-out claims to be playing by his Scum meta. Does that mean he's Scum? If it does, then he's playing against his win condition. Town.
I thought this was pretty hilarious, but I also think town are more likely to push stuff like this and actually believe it than scum are. their behavior towards us throughout the game was consistent with this statement - they were suspicious of us up to this point and then didn't push us at all afterward - and the point itself at least makes sense coming from someone who has this view of how the rules work (which Klingon confirmed later in
325) even though it's poorly reasoned. I could see scum pushing it, but I wouldn't expect them to claim it as truth like they're doing here, I would think if scum wanted to push something like this it'd be more of an uncertain thing that they could backpedal on later (scum don't want to outright clear people when they don't need to). I don't think it looked like scum attempting to buddy up to someone or bullshit a read, I think it was them actually believing we were as good as confirmed town for it and acting as such.
I didn't mind the rest of the reads in this post, either, but this is the main one.
In post 536, Brunneis wrote:I'm sorry, but I keep looking at your ISO and not seeing a consistent amount of reasoning against Errant to suggest tunneling.... Which I've yet to see town do.
So could you please explain this bit by bit to me? Why is Errant still the best lynch even after the flips from others we saw previously?
I thought this was a p good point, which if you've read my previous posts this game day you'd know I agree with.
In post 634, Brunneis wrote:I checked the Wiki and posted it - there's a 1 in 4 chance of there being 4 Scum, yet you knew there are 4 Scum in this game.
this post is incredibly misguided, but I think posts like this are more likely to come from town than scum; scum would know what they're pushing here is blatantly wrong and realize it would do them basically no favors with Ranger (the person they were pushing) or anyone else in the game. with Brunneis in the position they're in, as I alluded to in the first paragraph, I think it's more of a town tell than it would otherwise be, since scum-them should be searching for allies here or trying to do ... something ... to derail their lynch.
In post 740, Brunneis wrote:Cool, while you keep your vote on one person the same person you've had it on for the past 8 pages without responding to that much at all
You then cast suspicion on the person they pushed against.
this was a good thing to point out; in a vacuum pushing someone your scum read is pushing is OK if you have reason to suspect scum bussing, but grayfoxx's thought process here wasn't the correct one. he essentially just came up with it on the spot and it read more like a throwaway excuse than anything.
In post 751, Brunneis wrote:My reads other then what I quoted to you weren't a direct answer to you. I'm not voicing my thoughts and opinions in accordance to what you want to hear, sorry.
I thought the needless antagonism here looked p town. there are times when deliberately antagonizing someone can be a scum tell (when it's entirely uncalled for), this isn't one of them.
In post 786, Brunneis wrote: In post 768, GrayFoxxxx wrote:@brunn
Reread the specific post regarding Ranger.
Why wouldn't I keep my vote on you? I think you're scum. I'm not as confident in you being scum recently , because your last few posts look a little better.
But you have alot of pressure on you, so it's kind of forced content.
Ide like to hear back from ranger, as he is the only other person I would be comfortable voting right now.
What the hell?
I've been the top wagon MOST OF THIS GAME. Are you seriously mostly voting me because "apparently everyone is trying to force me to make content"
That's a terrible reason to stay idle on a wagon this long and I can't believe nobody has called you out on it.
And I'm not even the only person you're willing to vote? This reinforces to me that Ranger may actually be a scumbuddy of someone.
Why are you keeping your vote on me this long, and have pushed nobody else - supposedly? Ugh.... I just can't see this as town.
this is actually an excellent point that is something I'm going to look into in more depth now that I'm able to sit down with the game. and no, it's not "desperate" - regardless of alignment, calling out scum reads on your wagon is a fairly standard thing. people who are pushing them as desperate for this should feel bad.
tbh, I find most of what Taly is posting about grayfoxx to make a lot of sense and I don't know why anyone is taking issue with it
In post 782, Brunneis wrote: In post 777, Ranger wrote:Because I seriously do not get the suspicion on duppin. At all. He seems to be posting really, really strongly in a ridiculously-town manner.
He is not posting strongly.
In post 783, Brunneis wrote: In post 779, Ranger wrote:Okay you sniping jerk, let me rephrase that because my normal speech patterns seem to have left an opening for you.
duppin IS posting really, really strongly, no 'seems to be'.
His posting is very, very strongly town.
In some alternate reality maybe.
I'm liking the Duppin vote more now.
this makes a lot of sense to me as a reaction to someone defending someone you're scum reading and I know this because I had the same reaction when reading that Ranger post - when I read it, my first thought was that she was just making it up and that nothing in duppin's posts could have been considered "very strong". I like the way they basically snap-called Ranger on it, it didn't come off like there was some kind of ulterior motive behind it.
+ more needless antagonism that I liked.
In post 786, Brunneis wrote:Because it looks like you'd rather go on a long-running wagon instead of actually looking at every possibility?
This is just a hella bad picture considering that Gray was the first on my wagon in that, you're excluding the idea of looking at him before actually making a push to vote and lynch me.
Oh, and I've been suspicious to you THIS ENTIE GAME for no stated reason? Cool, now you've almost confirmed to me that you're scum trying to conceal my mislynch. Thanks.
I like (and sympathize with) this post a lot.
the exception to all of this is if they wind up being SK, but I'm not really interested in lynching the SK over group scum today, soooo.
