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In post 185, BNL wrote:BTW what does "fluff" mean in Mafia?
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which, by itself, looks definitely like the same bullshit. If you'd seen me doiong this and voting you, you'd be like 'huh' and keep going, maybe even vote me as a prod to get me doing something. either way, no nervousness would pique your brain.
In post 161, vonflare wrote:I'm doing a lot atm, and its really late, you cant blame me for forgetting who I voted for.
this looks to me like a "what? why would you say that? no I'm not! that scummy thing that I did there without actually noticing it beforehand, now I'm trying to weave it as normal, you can't say I'm scum because of that!"
..sounds to me like he's scum of some kind, who did not understand why the fuck out of the blue I stroke bullseye. He ISOed himself or something, found something that I might have found, and automatically tried to defend it without me even attacking it.
Also look at the timestamps. there's an entire hour between him "forgetting that he did vote postie" and him defending about it. It looks like he did that and was super nervous about whether or not town would call him out on his mistake that he even admitted to making. Then a vote came, so an uberdefensiveness way of speech came about.
TL;DR:
He overdefended himself against an absurd accusation, with not a single supporting detail to actually make it real, and no pressure from anyone.
Town aren't that paranoid.
I was dead tired. I didn't remember that you were 'trolling' the game. I thought you were accusing me of being a serial killer.
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asking 'why' and moving on makes sense.
asking 'why' and continuing to say that I cannot accuse you of being scum becaise you forgot about who you voted, no.
also it's 2 am now and I'm drunk. you can't say 'midnight' and lol your way out
In post 142, Postie wrote:I actually think BNL's over-eagerness looks pretty town.
Over-eagerness can come from town or scum, I generally read it more as being excited to play the game. What I don't like is the changing of his mind with little input from others. If you don't commit to stances, and set a precedent of waffling around, then you can go anywhere with your play. At best, it makes him town that's hard to read. At worst, it makes him scum intentionally setting himself up to move in multiple directions or fence-sit.
I also didn't like the Lilith vote in general, it was an easy place to votepark since it was based on gaming the setup and theory spec. I think abandoning it so quickly shows that he felt uncomfortable with it as soon as he made it, which to me is like, why make the vote to begin with?
It's admittedly more of a gut read, but I liked him going against the grain of the general flow of conversation in 90 and 120. Personally, I think focusing attention on the Counsel or mechanics/flavor of the game is a distraction, unless you're making a legitimately productive attempt to crack it. It'd be easy for scum to vote a non-player or use the focus on the flavor as a way to hide from genuine pushing and scumhunting. Scum talking about the mechanics has an excuse both to not-scumhunt and not-be-scumhunted.
shos your push feels like a bit of a reach. How sure are you that town!vonflare would not react the exact same way?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
Thanks GL, I agree with your response actually. Focusing too much on what is and is not included in this game or what's different from last game is really just distracting us and doesn't actually do anything.
