Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[FireKari]

Thinking more about the NK, it does make sense for scum to avoid killing a Mason because of confirming the survivor. Perhaps would try to mislynch a mason and NK the survivor instead. Jeanne11 NK still feels less than optimal though. Perhaps scum felt threatened by jeanne11 for some reason other than the ability and towniness? Thinking outloud again..

Will check her ISO again after we get some zzZzs.

~Yukari

[wgeurts]

The scum won't kill us I imagine as they are trying to break the bloc.
If you lynch one of us then the other will get night killed, however if they kill one of us the other is confirmed town. We should be making the pick today between pistachi0n and Klingoncelt really, I'll do some more rereading with these two flips added to my associatives as it helped me find BM last time.
RR was my expected NK so Jeanne dying is odd, especially after I joined her in a good making us triple masons effectively

[wgeurts]

I got ninjad by FK

[Elbirn]

*popcorns*

Don't have much to say here, FireKari and ranger are doing some good work.

Considering the extreme likelihood of there being 1 scum left, wgeurts and RR can't be lying. 4 scum in a 13 player setup would br too much imo. That's an endgame after 3 day/night phases if no scum lynched, 2 days/nights if there's a vig that takes a shot at town. That's way too short a game. Arguing in favor of balance and a well made game, there's one scum left.

So....I think I'd consider it a mild town tell that firekari and suzune (I think?) Even consider the possibility of wgeurts/rr being scum? I'm tired and I might be logically faulty here cuz I slept for 4 hours, but idk man my brain told me that scum couldn't think that because they know there's one scum left, so they're only pretending to hint for 1 scum.

[Elbirn]

Jeanne actually makes the most sense as a kill. Widely townread and her being alive gives us the neighborhood, whereas everyone else has at least some paranoia on them.

Brantz you keep telling us to kill you before lylo. If you have a negative utility role nows the time to claim it I think.

[Varsoon]

"To live is not a sin, but to remain ignorant is."

-Sarah,

Suikoden III

VOTECOUNT 3.01

pistachi0n (1):

FireKari

BRantz (1):

Ranger

Not Voting (7):

Klingoncelt, Elbirn, Reasonably Rational, wgeurts, BRantz, pistachi0n, Suzune

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-28 04:15:00)

There is new Writing on the Wall.

[wgeurts]

mine

[wgeurts]

I think we should mass claim now, my lynch pool is {Klingon, Pistachion, Brantz} as all out of that group are hard town reads of mine. Though I need to reread again to see if I can spot any more associatives.
Claiming with such a large town bloc should help us increase the size or make it flipping hard on scum to keep their powers hidden.
We should do this via popcorning.
I'm Mokumoku or something like that and I like curry and i'm a squirrel part of the squirrel army with RR who is also a squirrel. in Steven universe mafia Varsoon said he'd laugh if any of us chose that squirrel, so naturally we both did exactly that. We are plain masons, nothing else.

Popcorn Claim: Pistachion

Somone care to list all claimed roles so we can setup-spec and plan out our night actions?

[wgeurts]

I think we should mass claim now, my lynch pool is {Klingon, Pistachion, Brantz} as all outside of that group are hard town reads of mine. Though I need to reread again to see if I can spot any more associatives.
Claiming with such a large town bloc should help us increase the size or make it flipping hard on scum to keep their powers hidden.
We should do this via popcorning.
I'm Mokumoku or something like that and I like curry and i'm a squirrel, part of the squirrel army, with RR who is also a squirrel. in Steven universe mafia Varsoon said he'd laugh if any of us chose that squirrel, so naturally we both did exactly that. We are plain masons, nothing else.

Popcorn Claim: Pistachion

Somone care to list all claimed roles so we can setup-spec and plan out our night actions?

EBWOP

[BRantz]

That is fair Elbirn, I thought about doing it in my response to ranger, but didn't want to out anything else if people didn't want that.

Claim: I am Georg Prime.

I am a VT until lylo, at which time, I turn into a survivor.

[Suzune]

Well I am usually against role claims, but if we can get mine out in the open, it could be used more effectively.

I'm Rahal and I have the weirdest assortment of abilities I have ever seen.
I have a one shot skill to redirect actions from another player to me. Which I wa just going to use to suicide however, maybe I do not need to anymore,

My second ability is one shot aesthetic. When I choose to activate this ability I will be aesthetic for two nights.

I have not used either of my abilities yet. Day one and two are not ideal for the aesthetic because there are more people and cop roles are important early game. Late game I figured was better so that the mafia could not work against me.

I want to comment on a few others but I am on my tablet so that will be slow.

[wgeurts]

That is fair Elbirn, I thought about doing it in my response to ranger, but didn't want to out anything else if people didn't want that.

Claim: I am Georg Prime.

I am a VT until lylo, at which time, I turn into a survivor.

Was this a bastard game?

[Klingoncelt]

Considering the extreme likelihood of there being 1 scum left, wgeurts and RR can't be lying. 4 scum in a 13 player setup would br too much imo. That's an endgame after 3 day/night phases if no scum lynched, 2 days/nights if there's a vig that takes a shot at town. That's way too short a game. Arguing in favor of balance and a well made game, there's one scum left.

On average, at least in my experience, there's a Scum lynch by Day 3.

Anyway, it's your statement on Wgeurts and RR that I'm looking at.

I can't imagine either one as Scum making such a risky gambit. Claiming Lovers or Neighbors, I could see, but not Masons. So they're Town in my book.

[Klingoncelt]

Anyway, I'm Yoshino. (I picked her because she looks so much like I did in my younger days.)

I have a vig shot and a commuter shot.

[Klingoncelt]

I'd like to hear from Pistachion.

[BRantz]

@wguerts: I don't think do, but as far as I understand it my role isn't bastard. I know when and how my alignment switches, and isn't it only bastard if it is an unforseen alignment switch?

[wgeurts]

Alignment switches are considered bastard what so ever so I'll ask this:

Do you consider anticipated alignment changes as bastard varsoonio?

Klingon, you should vig Brantz. It saves us a lynch if he speaks the truth and if he's scum we win.

[wgeurts]

VOTE: Pistachi0n

[Varsoon]

Mid-game alignment changes are, as defined by the global rules, bastard.

[BRantz]

Okay.

@wguerts: the role us not bastard then, based on when my alignment actually changes, but effectively in lylo I am a survivor.

[BRantz]

I am fine with being vigged too.

VOTE: pistachi0n

[Elbirn]

Yeah nah.

This was not advertised as a bastard game. Ipso facto brantz is lying. And you know what we do with liars.

VOTE: BrantzVOTE:

[Elbirn]

VOTE: brantz

[Suzune]

Okay.

@wguerts: the role us not bastard then, based on when my alignment actually changes, but effectively in lylo I am a survivor.

that would be an alignment change and would negitively effect the town because it would change the lylo number. Why would you out it? That sounds like a stupid question, but if winning is your goal then you win by helping the town not raising us to be suspicious of you.

[wgeurts]

Nah, let Klingoncelt vig him.
That saves us a lynch whatever he is.
Also if Klingoncelt doesn't shoot him we will just lynch him tommorow