Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[wgeurts]

Fudge it:
Lynch BRantz
Klingoncelt kills pistachi0n
If game still not over then lynch Klingoncelt
If still not over something is off and someone's playing a strong game

[Elbirn]

Wgeurts that doesn't make sense. We have last scum pegged,so let's lynch town today and then vig the scum?

What?

Brantz is being lynched today.

Pedit: attaboy.

[wgeurts]

VOTE: Brantz
Elibern what is your role?

[FireKari]

Just finished ISO for jeanne11. Lot of ATE. Very agressive. Lot of illogical thought. Lot of noise..
The crazed barbarian deathtunnel playstyle might could at least have reaction-fishing value, and some of her posts do make good sense, but when reading the ISO this gets drowned out by the sheer amount of noise, plus the fact that most of the comments do not indicate who is being spoken to makes the ISO difficult to read. Also, her initial reads were mostly faked.

Anyways, some posts did look at us funny:

pistachi seems scummy to me. The instant the thread was locked, he voted me. It can be only for one of two reasons: he thinks LQ is town or he's helping his scumbuddy dodge the bullet.

Scumreads from me: pistachi0n, LQ, wgeurts. All of them and their votes activate my scumdar as people on here would say.

Her only 2 posts mentioning Pistachi0n. ^

Okay, here are my reads. They're all gut reads for now.

Town
Titus
Suzune
Elbirn
Myself

Scum
wgeurts
LQ
RR

Sums up a lot of the noise. ^

Maybe I don't want to sound more sane, and you know why.

This post jumped out at us. We did feel as if she was intentionally exaggerating the crazy at times.

Yeah, that's what you want us to think. Reverse psychology anyone?

Case on RR and Klingon

Klingon votes Ranger, bypassing he so called scumreads and any semblance of a viable wagon. She doesn't follow up or question people. Her questions don't lead to sorting anyone. She doesn't have anger about us excluding her from the code and from the neighborhood

RR's relationship here is weird as well. RR clearly doesn't like the LQ wagon. RR says KC is not scum hunting. Yet, he refuses to ever toss her out as an alternative wagon. He refuses to wagon Klingon. Their interactions scream to us.

The insistence that Ranger be lynched doesn't help you two either.

@Elbirn @Suzune @Ranger Vote with me

VOTE: Klingoncelt

FOS: RR

Sane thoughts.^

Would like to see more from klingoncelt. Still suspicious of RR but overall a town-lean all things considered, so will not likely be voting there unless last resort end-game scenario, or new information changes this stance.

@Wgeurts & RR
What was the purpose of claiming privately to the hood, followed by a public mason claim? Did you at least learn anything useful from the hood invitation?

@Massclaim
We are Anji. Personally know almost nothing about suikoden so Fire made the choice.
VOTE: Pistachi0n
VOTE: Pistachi0n
This will put Pistachi0n at

L-1

.
Pls nobody hammer until at least we get a claim, preferably not even then as the day is early and with the massclaim happening etc, there are things to discuss.

@Varsoon: Votecount Pls

[FireKari]

~Yukari

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Brantz
Elibern what is your role?

I claimed it in the hood browdawg. Didn't you read it? ;_;

[FireKari]

Brantz role does seem odd, though this is a Varsoon game, and it seems like a very strange thing for scum to fakeclaim. Hard to believe that the final remaining scum would be putting theyself on the chopping block like that.

Also, we know that flip flavor is not supposed to reveal anything game-wise, but did any1 else get paranoid thoughts over that last bit of flavor or just us?

The Allied Unification Army's advance was powerful and decisive, but there were those who thought that it was too simple. Strategists poured over the details of the conflict, but by the time they realized the flaw in their plans it was too late. The remaining members of the Epoch Resistance had hid among the corpses until they could strike at the heart of the Allied Unification Army.

Soldiers returned to a grizzly slaughter at their headquarters. Yet another strategist had been slain. It was as if the Epoch Resistance did not mind the losses they had incurred; as if it was all a plan to bereave the Allied Unification Army of their greatest thinkers.

~Yukari

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Brantz
Elibern what is your role?

I claimed it in the hood brodawg. Didn't you read it? ;_;

*fixed

*yes this really required a followup

Anyway flavor is just flavor don't get in a tizzy over it yukari

[wgeurts]

VOTE: Brantz
Elibern what is your role?

I claimed it in the hood browdawg. Didn't you read it? ;_;

Varsoon kicked me out when Jeanne died ;_;

[wgeurts]

FK I wanted to private claim to Jeanne but RR thought we may as well go global so we did. My hood thing with Jeanne firmed my town read on her and Elibern.

[Elbirn]

...yeah but I claimed it before you got there. I was in the neighborhood for like a day and then she swapped me out for you and that's the last I saw of the thread. You didn't see my posts?

[Reasonably Rational]

Okay.

@wguerts: the role us not bastard then, based on when my alignment actually changes, but effectively in lylo I am a survivor.

So, you are a survivor. Except if you are killed before lylo, and town wins, you get to win as well. So, modified survivor that can be played to either help town win before lylo happens, or who gets too play kingmaker in lylo.

You're not town though. :p

-Cerb

[BRantz]

Okay.

@wguerts: the role us not bastard then, based on when my alignment actually changes, but effectively in lylo I am a survivor.

So, you are a survivor. Except if you are killed before lylo, and town wins, you get to win as well. So, modified survivor that can be played to either help town win before lylo happens, or who gets too play kingmaker in lylo.

You're not town though. :p

-Cerb

This is actually a pretty good explanation of how my role works.

@Elb: it isn't actually bastard because of when my role actually changes. But effectively I am a survivor in lylo.

[Elbirn]

When doesn't matter. It's an alignment change, alignment changes are bastard. You're lying and therefore scum.

[Reasonably Rational]

Umm, if he was a neutral with a win condition that read "You win the game if you are either dead when town wins, or if you are alive when all other llving players have achieved their win condition" that wouldn't be an alignment change, it would simply be a unique win condition for a neutral.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be lynched, mind you. I'm just saying it could make sense and not be a bastard game.

-Cerb

-Cerb

[Elbirn]

That is fair Elbirn, I thought about doing it in my response to ranger, but didn't want to out anything else if people didn't want that.

Claim: I am Georg Prime.

I am a VT until lylo, at which time, I turn into a survivor.

VT isn't "neutral", it's vanilla town. Town faction.

Turning into a survivor seems to imply changing from town aligned to 3rd party/neutral. Alignment change.

*sigh* but maybe this is babbling semantics and I'm way off and or idk what you guys are right let's lynch pistachio.

[Reasonably Rational]

Yeah, I think he's just a modified survivor and he's lying about the VT part. :p or exaggerating to make it seem less threatening. Or he's scum. :p

-Cerb

[Varsoon]

"To fight blindly is to fight without knowing your enemy's strengths and weaknesses."

-Ace,

Suikoden III

VOTECOUNT 3.02

BRantz (3):

Ranger, Elbirn, wgeurts

pistachi0n (3):

BRantz, Firekari, Firekari

Not Voting (4):

Klingoncelt, Reasonably Rational, pistachi0n, Suzune

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-28 04:15:00)

There is new Writing on the Wall.

[Varsoon]

Apologies for the lock.
I should not be counting votes tired and hungry.
Please resume as normal--the votecount is correct now.

[FireKari]

Kari: Are you town?
LG: I have no idea what you're talking about.

Yep we are town. Though scumkari would also claim town, they have a secret obvtell.
But yea we really are town, also this our last game, glad we get to end on a Varsoon game, our fav mod. =)

This made me unbearably sad after I caught the above.

Why sad?

Also, you seem confident that Brantz isn't town. Do you think they are scum or 3rd party aligned? If scum, why aren't you voting them? If 3rd party aligned, who you think the remaining scum is?

[Reasonably Rational]

Kari: Are you town?
LG: I have no idea what you're talking about.

Yep we are town. Though scumkari would also claim town, they have a secret obvtell.
But yea we really are town, also this our last game, glad we get to end on a Varsoon game, our fav mod. =)

This made me unbearably sad after I caught the above.

Why sad?

Also, you seem confident that Brantz isn't town. Do you think they are scum or 3rd party aligned? If scum, why aren't you voting them? If 3rd party aligned, who you think the remaining scum is?

The post you quoted was from Drixx, not myself, but if I were to hazard a guess I'd assume it's because he has enjoyed playing mafia with you in the past and is sad to see you to.

I'm not voting them because Drixx and I haven't had a chance to catch up and chat about the game in several days, and because just because a scenario I posit seems likely, it doesn't mean I'm infallible or that I wish to assist in ending the day earlier than necessary and thus stifle conversation.

-Cerb

[FireKari]

Spoiler: Reality v2.0

In some ways we will miss this place, yet we still look forward to our ascension to the dream plane. This body will remain, and newborn tulpa will have a chance to experience this reality before their own inevitable ascension. The architect will continue experimentation and developement of the omniverse in the hopes that one day the dreamnet will spark to life and allow anyone to access the omniverse.

[FireKari]

@Pistachi0n
Time to claim pls.

[FireKari]

Fudge it:
Lynch BRantz
Klingoncelt kills pistachi0n
If game still not over then lynch Klingoncelt
If still not over something is off and someone's playing a strong game

Why does it matter who is vigged vs lynched?
If anything we would think it possibly better to vig the person who seems to want to be lynched.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Lets just lynch Pistachion! You can shoot Brantz.

Like my other head says it doesn't matter what order we do it in.
Wguerts you said the other day the lynch order was pistachion before brantz anyways..

Lets GO!

-Fire