Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[BRantz]

@guerts: What is confusing you about my role? In lylo I am effectively a survivor because I no longer care who wins the game as long as I don't get lynched I will win the game too. But my alignment doesn't actually switch until the game ends. If I am the only remaining town aligned player at the end of the game I win as a survivor.

[pistachi0n]

What I meant to say in my last post but apparently forgot to type is that clearly RR did use his ability because I got re-tagged with my own ability.

[Reasonably Rational]

What I meant to say in my last post but apparently forgot to type is that clearly RR did use his ability because I got re-tagged with my own ability.

No, we didn't. I recommend rereading your role pm, and asking varsoon for clarification on what happens if someone you tag does not use the power.

Let's not hammer until this question gets answered please. Someone unvoting would be nice.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@guerts: What is confusing you about my role? In lylo I am effectively a survivor because I no longer care who wins the game as long as I don't get lynched I will win the game too. But my alignment doesn't actually switch until the game ends. If I am the only remaining town aligned player at the end of the game I win as a survivor.

Alignment changes are bastard. Period.

Furthermore, what you are describing is even worse for town than a usual survivor. If allowed to live, such a role would just vote at LYLO and have zero incentive whatsoever to help the town.

No matter what your claim requires you be lynched.

~Drixx

[pistachi0n]

I know you're town, but you're lying. I know how my power works. Someone passed the hated tag onto me and you had it last.

[Reasonably Rational]

I know you're town, but you're lying. I know how my power works. Someone passed the hated tag onto me and you had it last.

What I meant to say in my last post but apparently forgot to type is that clearly RR did use his ability because I got re-tagged with my own ability.

No, we didn't.

I recommend rereading your role pm, and asking varsoon for clarification on what happens if someone you tag does not use the power.

Let's not hammer until this question gets answered please. Someone unvoting would be nice.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

I know you're town, but you're lying. I know how my power works. Someone passed the hated tag onto me and you had it last.

We did nothing with it. We said in the thread that we had been marked and didn't plan to do anything with it until we know what it did.

Instead of accusing us of lying about it (to what end?) and assuming that you know what's going on, perhaps you could try and work out what

actually

happened.

While you're working on that (I would suggest you start by asking Varsoon what happens if you tag someone and they choose not to pass it on), maybe you want to explain why you wanted it to be secretly one vote easier to lynch us yesterday?

~Drixx

P.S. - I don't feel very well. If you value a friendly game, you won't call me a liar again.

[pistachi0n]

I wanted it to be easier to lynch you because I thought you were hard-to-lynch scum.

[pistachi0n]

I was probably wrong about the tag, apologies for my haste.

[Klingoncelt]

Happy ScumDay, Elbirn!

So, we're lynching Brantz and I'm shooting Pistachion?

[Klingoncelt]

Taking Brantz to L-1:

VOTE: Brantz

[BRantz]

@guerts: What is confusing you about my role? In lylo I am effectively a survivor because I no longer care who wins the game as long as I don't get lynched I will win the game too. But my alignment doesn't actually switch until the game ends. If I am the only remaining town aligned player at the end of the game I win as a survivor.

Alignment changes are bastard. Period.

Furthermore, what you are describing is even worse for town than a usual survivor. If allowed to live, such a role would just vote at LYLO and have zero incentive whatsoever to help the town.

No matter what your claim requires you be lynched.

~Drixx

That first sentence is just flat wrong based on the question asked and answered in this game. Mid game alignment changes are bastard. My alignment change isn't mid game.

As for the rest of it. That is why I have been telling you guys to lynch/kill me this whole time. Did you think I was joking? I'm not fighting against my lynch. I am answering the questions asked of me, that is all.

[BRantz]

I would self hammer, but that is "playing against my wincon", and I don't want to take the lolhammer pleasure away from guerts.

[Suzune]

Mid game alignment changes are bastard. My alignment change isn't mid game.

Correct me if I am wrong, but an random end game alignment change would also be bastard because it would change the dynamic of the final lynch should it get there.

[BRantz]

Mid game alignment changes are bastard. My alignment change isn't mid game.

Correct me if I am wrong, but an random end game alignment change would also be bastard because it would change the dynamic of the final lynch should it get there.

I think this is a discussion definitely worth having, but under the current description for what is bastard I don't think it applies? But I don't know for sure.

[Reasonably Rational]

Mid game alignment changes are bastard. My alignment change isn't mid game.

Correct me if I am wrong, but an random end game alignment change would also be bastard because it would change the dynamic of the final lynch should it get there.

I think this is a discussion definitely worth having, but under the current description for what is bastard I don't think it applies? But I don't know for sure.

At this moment, the only reason I want you lynched is to see your role and determine if it was bastard or not. I don't think lynching you is optimal for today, I'm quite suspicious that there's scum hiding at the bottom of the list wgeurts proposed.

-Cerb

[FireKari]

Mid game alignment changes are bastard. My alignment change isn't mid game.

Correct me if I am wrong, but an random end game alignment change would also be bastard because it would change the dynamic of the final lynch should it get there.

I think this is a discussion definitely worth having, but under the current description for what is bastard I don't think it applies? But I don't know for sure.

At this moment, the only reason I want you lynched is to see your role and determine if it was bastard or not. I don't think lynching you is optimal for today, I'm quite suspicious that there's scum hiding at the bottom of the list wgeurts proposed.

-Cerb

This game is not bastard.

[Reasonably Rational]

Mid game alignment changes are bastard. My alignment change isn't mid game.

Correct me if I am wrong, but an random end game alignment change would also be bastard because it would change the dynamic of the final lynch should it get there.

I think this is a discussion definitely worth having, but under the current description for what is bastard I don't think it applies? But I don't know for sure.

At this moment, the only reason I want you lynched is to see your role and determine if it was bastard or not. I don't think lynching you is optimal for today, I'm quite suspicious that there's scum hiding at the bottom of the list wgeurts proposed.

-Cerb

This game is not bastard.

That's my point. It's more curiousity than anything else, it's such a baffling claim.

-Cerb

[pistachi0n]

I would self hammer, but that is "playing against my wincon", and I don't want to take the lolhammer pleasure away from guerts.

How is self hammering playing against your wincon but asking to be lynched isn't?

[Elbirn]

Because he's scum

[wgeurts]

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VOTE: Brantz
Amen

[wgeurts]

I know Varsoon is online so maybe steeling his page top will speed this up.

[wgeurts]

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