Micro 547: Searching For Dragons (Game Over)

[Firebringer]

You would probably catch more scum, but really the entertainment value in this game would be at least cut in half.

[GuiltyLion]

Play it out if you like. I'm confident that everyone who saw that understood the point.

When/if I flip, you are just making it so you will be on the chopping block instead of CN. You seriously need to sit down and think harder about why I do what I do.

I read it twice before the post. Chaotic is your first choice for lynch, but if deadline forces it, I'm your next choice. So, I'm your second scummiest read, but you claimed a few posts earlier that you read me as town, and then repeated it later. Scum make slips like this because they have a harder time keeping track of their reads because their reads aren't real - they already know the answers.

Actually, you're completely wrong! I will compromise on anyone in that second group, because a lynch is better than no lynch. I don't really have a solid second choice at the moment,

which is exactly why I want more activity before we go off making a quickwagon

.

Oh, now I get it. Out of 8 people you have 6 town reads, 1 null, and 1 scum read. I'm your second choice for lynch because I'm a town read, but in the "wouldn't-be-surprised-if-there's-a-scum-in-there group" so heck why not.

That's an I-don't-want-to-piss-people-off reads list and is something bad scum do.

I frankly don't give a fuck about pissing people off, I'm making honest reads. Again, you're not my second choice, you're one in a pool of 3 people I have deemed not-ideal, but acceptable lynches (ignoring the null slot).

It's going to be hilarious watching you backpedal from calling me bad scum.

I would also like you to explain what exactly I have done in this game in such stark contrast to my completed town games, that you are confident that I am scum. Specific posts, tangible points about what is unique about my towngame. Your case is literally simply "meta", which is shit to begin with, and completely unsubstantiated.

Why do you want to lynch a probtown over a null? (Hint: there is an answer, just want to see if you come up with it.)

Activity is not indicative of alignment. Foxxx lynch, at this point in time, is completely worthless as it gives us no associative information and has in my view, completely random (2/8) chance of hitting scum.

[Firebringer]

My top scum reads right now:

Vedith
Persivul
Guilty Lion [This one I don't trust and its almost entirely gut]

[Persivul]

You would probably catch more scum,

Yes, you're pretty much useless.

but really the entertainment value in this game would be at least cut in half.

And you seriously overestimate your entertainment value.

[Firebringer]

You would probably catch more scum,

Yes, you're pretty much useless.

but really the entertainment value in this game would be at least cut in half.

And you seriously overestimate your entertainment value.

Well I think I bring the game up to like a 5 from a usual 2-3 that is typical for games.

Right now, you are being difficult to read my friend. I can't tell your intentions at all. Too much "BE SERIOUS GUYS!!?!?!?" All kind of seems fake to me, just like how you say my interactions with Vedith seem forced or w.e

[Persivul]

When/if I flip, you are just making it so you will be on the chopping block instead of CN. You seriously need to sit down and think harder about why I do what I do.

The obvious explanation is that you're scum in a panic, but feel free to explain otherwise.

Actually, you're completely wrong! I will compromise on anyone in that second group, because a lynch is better than no lynch. I don't really have a solid second choice at the moment,

which is exactly why I want more activity before we go off making a quickwagon

.

It's poor form to admittedly ignore this game to play a video game, then claim you need more activity in order to act.

I would also like you to explain what exactly I have done in this game in such stark contrast to my completed town games, that you are confident that I am scum. Specific posts, tangible points about what is unique about my towngame. Your case is literally simply "meta", which is shit to begin with, and completely unsubstantiated.

No, my case now includes willingness to lynch your town reads and a number of other things. People can read the meta themselves if they like, but it's not necessary now. Your reactions have been completely scummy.

Foxxx lynch, at this point in time, is completely worthless as it gives us no associative information and has in my view, completely random (2/8) chance of hitting scum.

You got that one right at least.

[Persivul]

Well I think I bring the game up to like a 5 from a usual 2-3 that is typical for games.

If you're speaking of the douchebaggery scale, yes, I agree with you.

Right now, you are being difficult to read my friend. I can't tell your intentions at all.

Maybe if you actually studied my reads list you'd have a better idea.

[Persivul]

Fix quote tags:

Well I think I bring the game up to like a 5 from a usual 2-3 that is typical for games.

If you're speaking of the douchebaggery scale, yes, I agree with you.

Right now, you are being difficult to read my friend. I can't tell your intentions at all.

Maybe if you actually studied my reads list you'd have a better idea.

[Firebringer]

Well that isn't very nice.

[GuiltyLion]

The

obvious

naive

explanation is that you're scum in a panic, but feel free to explain otherwise.

"obvious" FTFY

Let me walk you through what's actually happening here:
1. I am town that has coasted this game, for reasons both strategic and RL lazy.
2. I see the "town leader" figure write out a weak, terribly justified case on me.
3. I point out that it's a terrible case and observe who decides to ignore my points and jump on regardless, despite never vocalizing a scumread on me before.
4. scum found! Even if I am mislynched, town benefits!

It's poor form to admittedly ignore this game to play a video game, then claim you need more activity in order to act.

Sure, it's poor form. Is it scum form?

No, my case now includes willingness to lynch your town reads and a number of other things. People can read the meta themselves if they like, but it's not necessary now. Your reactions have been completely scummy.

I have never been willing to lynch my townreads. Show me where I voted or started a wagon on Firebringer, Vedith, or The Betting Pool.

It's nice to see that you don't actually want to do the legwork of writing something meaningful and substantive on why you think I'm scum. That will surely reflect positively on you when I flip town.

[goodmorning]

3: In Which Mendanbar Receives Some Advice from a Witch

Votecount 1.9

Vedith - [L-3] - Firebringer, Chaotic Neutrality
Firebringer [L-3] - Vedith, FA_Q2
Persivul - [L-3] - The Betting Pool, A Simple Plan

Chaotic Neutrality - [L-4] - GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion [L-4] - Persivul

Not Voting [1] - GrayFoxxxx

With 9 alive, it takes

5

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-11-20 08:00:00).

Note: I'm going to freeze the deadline til I get a Gray replacement. So.

[GuiltyLion]

Ah, now with updated VCs I can make a point that I wanted to bring up earlier as well.

Persivul

- in your big reads list, you have Vedith as scum, calling him scumteam with me. But you were already voting him and he was at L-2, and you moved off of his wagon to vote me instead. Can you explain why you did that? Why move your vote off of a scumread to start a new wagon on someone who has no other votes yet?

[Persivul]

To pressure you and see your reaction, dipshit.

[GuiltyLion]

Do you think I'm stupid for asking that question?

[Firebringer]

Note: Stupid is what stupid does.

Anyways, I don't know Persivul to pick out differences and play but he is definitely alot more aggro than he was in the C9++ I don't know what to think of it, it sounds like his town meta.

Who knows?

[FA_Q2]

Statistically most players are going to be town, and the deadline is in two and a half days. The replacement is barely going to have time to look at the thread beforee the days up.

Guilty's last post reads self-preservation scum.

Disagree.

He has one vote and no one has jumped over. He would have to be horrible scum to go nuts over a single vote.

To pressure you and see your reaction, dipshit.

In general - that is uncalled for. The insult that is - not the pressure.

[FA_Q2]

Regardless, my point is that Gray does that as scum.

As noted, in this case it's probably not alignment indicative.

I'm not sure why you are so upset of me not town reading him.

I'm not. I have him at null myself, not town. I'm suspicious that you make safe and easy reads and continue to avoid real scum hunting.

Ditto.

You are not adding anything here vedith and I am unable to even recall any content you have posted without pulling an ISO on you.

[FA_Q2]

@ The Betting Pool, FAQ2, Chaotic Neutrality

Please tell me which of these (if any) you could wagon:

Scum {GuiltyLion, Vedith, FireBringer}

Obviously I would go for FB. Vedith would be a good second option. I am not likely to lynch GL this day. There is a lot of good content there and I see him as genuinely trying to scum hunt. Most of your push on him looks a lot like conf. bias to me.

[Chaotic Neutrality]

I thought the self preservation comment was self explanatory.

It's really not, so I'd like you to explain it in clear words for me, and everyone else.

Persivul already explained this, but just so it's in my own words and explicitly clear: As soon as there was discussion about lynching you, you told us all not to make any quick wagons until an irrelevant slot is replaced. Basically you were trying to stop us from reaching a lynch because you were the one about to be lynched. Town has absolutely no motivation to do this, and if you were town you would have instead been discussing your scumreads or pushing other lynches. You waited to do that until you started really being under the microscope, and even then all of your scumreads are people who have cases against you.

I attacked Persivul's argument, not Persivul himself. I even said I still peg him as more likely town.

Take a look at your 290 and 291 again. Sure you said he's more likely to be town. Doesn't mean crap. Because we're both your scumreads.

When/if I flip, you are just making it so you will be on the chopping block instead of CN. You seriously need to sit down and think harder about why I do what I do.

It's nice to see that you don't actually want to do the legwork of writing something meaningful and substantive on why you think I'm scum. That will surely reflect positively on you when I flip town.

Please don't be a martyr. I've been there, it's just destructive and helps nobody. It's also terrible reasoning, because until you flip we can't possibly know if you're being a genuine town crybaby or you're using your mafia crocodile tears. Either way it just looks noobish and whiny.

I don't really have a solid second choice at the moment,

which is exactly why I want more activity before we go off making a quickwagon

.

Activity is not indicative of alignment. Foxxx lynch, at this point in time, is completely worthless as it gives us no associative information and has in my view, completely random (2/8) chance of hitting scum.

Waiting around for activity does nothing for us either.

[Chaotic Neutrality]

Connections don't mean much without a flip but GL certainly isn't scumhunting and FA_Q2 insists he is. If this is legit the scum team I'm gonna be really upset.

[Chaotic Neutrality]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Persivul]

Do you think I'm stupid for asking that question?

I think you're scum for asking that question.

[Persivul]

Disagree.

He has one vote and no one has jumped over. He would have to be horrible scum to go nuts over a single vote.

News flash: the case is indeed that he's horrible scum. He started playing three months ago and doesn't have a scum completion yet. When I started, I drew a lot of town at first, and when I first drew scum I was certainly horrible at it. That's not unusual.

You seem to be responding to a few of the recent posts without really reading in depth. Why is that?

[Persivul]

Connections don't mean much without a flip but GL certainly isn't scumhunting and FA_Q2 insists he is. If this is legit the scum team I'm gonna be really upset.

Yes, I was hoping for some real insight from him. Those posts were very disappointing.

[Persivul]

Well that isn't very nice.

No, it isn't.
Do you think scum would be so obnoxious?

Anyways, I don't know Persivul to pick out differences and play but he is definitely alot more aggro than he was in the C9++ I don't know what to think of it, it sounds like his town meta.

More specifically, it's my VT micro meta. Example:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=61639