Mini 1737: Bringer Mafia [Mafia Win]

[Frozen Angel]

And about frag. I have intention to hammer , but i will hold my vote until his hard claim.

The only possible role for him to claim is the jailkeeper, which is unlikely because he wasn't protecting the doc last night.

[Frozen Angel]

Ah I see vedith unvoted. clever got a town point for waiting for the hard claim

[Accountant]

And if he was cop, which was the blatant role he softed, he most probably would of checked me and found that I was inno. Why don't you think vedith is lying actually? Could you give me some solid reasoning?

He said he checked Fragger and found him guilty.

this might be a scum/scum attack, something for blocky to say and He confirms so we get assured Blocky is the watcher.

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this could be possible.

[PatientZer0]

He said he checked Fragger and found him guilty.

So you would blindly follow vedith?

[RadiantCowbells]

What about the fact that Expedience never said anything when we were at the point of massclaiming then he gets revealed by Blocky and doesn't really say anything about it?

[RadiantCowbells]

Expedience could easily be a scum PR, probably roleblocker because he would have known that Vedith is bullshitting about the guilty, and I get a feeling that he is.

[PatientZer0]

Well Expedience got replaced in almost at the end of the day yesterday, and slandaar was inactive, but you could be right.

[Accountant]

He said he checked Fragger and found him guilty.

So you would blindly follow vedith?

I would gladly turbolynch Fragger even if Vedith hadn't said anything.

[Expedience]

At this point it's almost certain that one of the PRs is a Mafia PR. Expedience could be Mafia (Roleblocker? Fruit Vendor?) while Blocky could be Mafia Watcher. I don't think Vedith is lying about his role, and it seems excessive to have Tracker, Doctor, Cop and two other PRs in a small game.

It's definitely possible for BlockyMan to be a Mafia Watcher. Scum must have at least a reasonable amount of power from the PRs that have already flipped, and a Mafia Watcher could counter the Doctor / Watcher.

What about the fact that Expedience never said anything when we were at the point of massclaiming then he gets revealed by Blocky and doesn't really say anything about it?

What about the fact that I replaced in at the start of the night phase. What more would you like me to say about it? I don't see any benefit to the town from me claiming at this point, but I'll do it if I am requested to.

Expedience could easily be a scum PR, probably roleblocker because he would have known that Vedith is bullshitting about the guilty, and I get a feeling that he is.

Vedith claimed a guilty result on Fraggernaut. If Vedith was bullshitting about the guilty, then wouldn't that make him scum, and why would I roleblock him if I was also scum?

I legitimately believed that Vedith was claiming VT instead of cop until recently, so believing that I am a scum roleblocker who roleblocked Vedith implies that you believe that I actually knew he was claiming cop. And that I hid a fake slip in 1035 before I even knew that I was seen visiting Vedith. Why would I do this if I didn't even know that this situation would arise?

[Expedience]

At this point it's almost certain that one of the PRs is a Mafia PR. Expedience could be Mafia (Roleblocker? Fruit Vendor?) while Blocky could be Mafia Watcher. I don't think Vedith is lying about his role, and it seems excessive to have Tracker, Doctor, Cop and two other PRs in a small game.

It's definitely possible for BlockyMan to be a Mafia Watcher. Scum must have at least a reasonable amount of power from the PRs that have already flipped, and a Mafia Watcher could counter the Doctor /

Tracker

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fixed

[Accountant]

Possible scenario:

Expedience is a Mafia Roleblocker. He blocks Vedith, the claimed investigative. Vedith gets a no result, but pretends to have a result so he can force reluctant town to vote scumlord Fragger.

Expedience, explain concisely why this scenario is wrong.

Vedith, were you roleblocked?

[Accountant]

Alternative scenario:

As above, except Vedith was a VT fakeclaiming all along and doesn't know that he's been roleblocked

[Expedience]

Possible scenario:

Expedience is a Mafia Roleblocker. He blocks Vedith, the claimed investigative. Vedith gets a no result, but pretends to have a result so he can force reluctant town to vote scumlord Fragger.

Expedience, explain concisely why this scenario is wrong.

If Vedith was in fact roleblocked, claiming a fake result would be unnecessary if Fragger was already the lynch target. The "reluctant town" in your scenario don't exist. It doesn't even help to "confirm" himself as town, because he could easily be bussing.

[Expedience]

Alternative scenario:

As above, except Vedith was a VT fakeclaiming all along and doesn't know that he's been roleblocked

Well maybe Blocky and I are VTs and claiming fake results. It doesn't benefit a VT to lie.

[Frozen Angel]

and my old scenario about Blocky / Expedience both being mafia.

I also checked the forum. there are several more roles than roleblocker could be have a mafia flavor but be nonkilling. like a mafia rolecop (its possible because of the high PR setup I can see) or a mafia doctor.

if he is a mafia doctor he could go after vedith to prevent Accou's shot. To show him guilty today.

[Frozen Angel]

A town investigator can also check vedith at night because of his stupid play last day . its not out of table.

[Accountant]

I'm not actually a vigilante, and if there was a real vigilante he would of shot last night, so Mafia Doctor makes no sense.

[Frozen Angel]

@MOD its more than 24 hours please prod Fragger.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not actually a vigilante, and if there was a real vigilante he would of shot last night, so Mafia Doctor makes no sense.

yeah noted.

[Accountant]

A town investigator can also check vedith at night because of his stupid play last day . its not out of table.

If Fragger flips scum, Vedith gets town points and Zero should be checked as he is scummier.

If Fragger flips town, Vedith is confirmed scum and Zero should be checked as we know what an investigate on Vedith is going to be anyway

[Fraggernaut]

Well I'm VT so you're lynching town.

I obviously was trying to take the role bullet & even mentioned taking the role bullet several times before everyone tried to mass claim/fake claim to which I said "you guys are making it hard for me to take a role bullet.

Also on vacation, hence I didn't know the game continued.

[Accountant]

Well I'm VT so you're lynching town.

I obviously was trying to take the role bullet & even mentioned taking the role bullet several times before everyone tried to mass claim/fake claim to which I said "you guys are making it hard for me to take a role bullet.

Also on vacation, hence I didn't know the game continued.

burn the witch

[Fraggernaut]

Well I'm VT so you're lynching town.

I obviously was trying to take the role bullet & even mentioned taking the role bullet several times before everyone tried to mass claim/fake claim to which I said "you guys are making it hard for me to take a role bullet.

Also on vacation, hence I didn't know the game continued.

burn the witch

Why would you want to burn yourself?

Tsk tsk. The exact scenario I alluded to late day one has happened.

[Expedience]

and my old scenario about Blocky / Expedience both being mafia.

I also checked the forum. there are several more roles than roleblocker could be have a mafia flavor but be nonkilling. like a mafia rolecop (its possible because of the high PR setup I can see) or a mafia doctor.

if he is a mafia doctor he could go after vedith to prevent Accou's shot. To show him guilty today.

A rolecop is unlikely considering how I mistakenly believed Vedith to be actually claiming VT (unless illuminati watcher conspiracy with Blocky or something). If I was actually a rolecop then potential scumpartners could've given me a better target other than someone who had already claimed.

We don't have a vigilante in this setup, so there wouldn't be a mafia doctor.

[Accountant]

My friend

You softed PR at L-2 on Day 1, _before anyone else had softed_. So there was no role bullet to take. You are scum. Everyone knows you are scum. Vedith has a guilty on you.