Open 616: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Probably because duppin posted recently so he came to mind first? I completely forgot about ASP and Wanderer tbh xD

Why are you answering for someone else?

-Vedith

[lilith2013]

Vote count Day 1.5

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

Apricity

- 1 - duppin - (L-6)

DiamondSentinel

- 1 - lilith2013 - (L-6)

Diego1487

- 2 - Apricity, Not_Mafia - (L-5)

itlepip

- 1 - Sharky5x - (L-6)

My Other Head Is Scum

- 1 - A Simple Plan - (L-6)

Not_Mafia

- 1 - Diego1487 - (L-6)

Sharky5x

- 4 - randomidget, itlepip, DiamondSentinel, My Other Head Is Scum - (L-3)

Players not voting: The_Jester, Wanderer-nl

Mod notes

Not_Mafia has been prodded

Then directed towards sharky:

You say scummy things, but you are also working to help town, it seems.

Why are you voting him if you think he is working to help town?

[lilith2013]

Why were you voting him*, as you just changed your vote.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Now he's gone all silent?...

-Vedith

[itlepip]

I guarantee there is scum (if diamond is scum then scum of the opposing faction) on that wagon.
it hurts me how easy of a target he is
pedit:
cool story jester

Can you explain this further?

-Vedith

DiamondSentinel - 5 - duppin, My Other Head Is Scum, The_Jester, itlepip, Diego1487 - (L-2)

+ Lilith voted after the VC
Explain how an easy lynch target that gets 6 votes that quickly has scum on the wagon in a game with 4 scum? It isn't obvious why I think there is scum on the wagon?

If there are two scum factions, any wagon with 4 or more is statistically likely to have scum on it somewhere just because if you pick more 2-3 people randomly from a hat, there will probably be scum there. I am sick to death of this 'there is scum somewhere on this wagon' when it is a full wagon because it is factually true but isn't actually a read because stats, but sounds like a read. If you want to go that route look at why people voted or other stuff, but don't try to pass 'there is scum somewhere' as an actual read or insight into the game.

Vedith, I still agree with you on Diamond but I am currently giving until d2 to massively improve his act.

[DiamondSentinel]

I would appreciate if duppin would post more than a measly 15 times.

Why no mention of Random (11 posts), Apricity (7 posts), ASP (4 posts), Wanderer (3 posts), or NM (3 posts)? Why do you care about duppin?

Random is another, but the other 4 have done nothing of interest, so I don't mind them for now.

I'm a bit busy right now, sharky, but I'll answer you in a sec.

Also, you answered your own question, at least partially.

PEdit: I can look at wagons extremely well. Since there aren't a lot of actions in this game, wagons will have to be the main source of my work here.

So what's your opinion on Sharky's wagon? particularly in conjunction with yours and Diego's?

Please answer.

I don't know who all was on it. Could you tell me that real fast?


PEdit: School had just ended, so I was afk for a sec.

Anyways, that makes sense now. That wagon looks quite scummy to me, tbh, and it almost seems like scum are trying to make me look bad. I'm not so sure about it now, but there are 2 scum factions, so that might be the case.

[itlepip]

^ You are making yourself look bad, scum has nothing to do with it.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Random is another, but the other 4 have done nothing of interest, so I don't mind them for now.

and it almost seems like scum are trying to make me look bad.

Same post...
Stop it you guys, stop making him look bad!

-Vedith

[Sharky5x]

I guarantee there is scum (if diamond is scum then scum of the opposing faction) on that wagon.
it hurts me how easy of a target he is
pedit:
cool story jester

Can you explain this further?

-Vedith

DiamondSentinel - 5 - duppin, My Other Head Is Scum, The_Jester, itlepip, Diego1487 - (L-2)

+ Lilith voted after the VC
Explain how an easy lynch target that gets 6 votes that quickly has scum on the wagon in a game with 4 scum? It isn't obvious why I think there is scum on the wagon?

If there are two scum factions, any wagon with 4 or more is statistically likely to have scum on it somewhere just because if you pick more 2-3 people randomly from a hat, there will probably be scum there. I am sick to death of this 'there is scum somewhere on this wagon' when it is a full wagon because it is factually true but isn't actually a read because stats, but sounds like a read. If you want to go that route look at why people voted or other stuff, but don't try to pass 'there is scum somewhere' as an actual read or insight into the game.

Are you saying I am just going by the stats? Diamond was an easy mislynch that people latched onto. I find it suspicious.

Pedit: Diamond was/is making himself look bad. I still townread him, though.

[lilith2013]

I would appreciate if duppin would post more than a measly 15 times.

Why no mention of Random (11 posts), Apricity (7 posts), ASP (4 posts), Wanderer (3 posts), or NM (3 posts)? Why do you care about duppin?

Random is another, but the other 4 have done nothing of interest, so I don't mind them for now.

.. implying that, in contrast, duppin has done something of interest? What was that?

I'm a bit busy right now, sharky, but I'll answer you in a sec.

Also, you answered your own question, at least partially.

PEdit: I can look at wagons extremely well. Since there aren't a lot of actions in this game, wagons will have to be the main source of my work here.

So what's your opinion on Sharky's wagon? particularly in conjunction with yours and Diego's?

Please answer.

I don't know who all was on it. Could you tell me that real fast?


PEdit: School had just ended, so I was afk for a sec.

Anyways, that makes sense now. That wagon looks quite scummy to me, tbh, and it almost seems like scum are trying to make me look bad. I'm not so sure about it now, but there are 2 scum factions, so that might be the case.

the VC is literally in my 376

[itlepip]

I guarantee there is scum (if diamond is scum then scum of the opposing faction) on that wagon.
it hurts me how easy of a target he is
pedit:
cool story jester

Can you explain this further?

-Vedith

DiamondSentinel - 5 - duppin, My Other Head Is Scum, The_Jester, itlepip, Diego1487 - (L-2)

+ Lilith voted after the VC
Explain how an easy lynch target that gets 6 votes that quickly has scum on the wagon in a game with 4 scum? It isn't obvious why I think there is scum on the wagon?

If there are two scum factions, any wagon with 4 or more is statistically likely to have scum on it somewhere just because if you pick more 2-3 people randomly from a hat, there will probably be scum there. I am sick to death of this 'there is scum somewhere on this wagon' when it is a full wagon because it is factually true but isn't actually a read because stats, but sounds like a read. If you want to go that route look at why people voted or other stuff, but don't try to pass 'there is scum somewhere' as an actual read or insight into the game.

Are you saying I am just going by the stats? Diamond was an easy mislynch that people latched onto. I find it suspicious.

Pedit: Diamond was/is making himself look bad. I still townread him, though.

I'm saying that saying that a wagon with 6 people on it with 2 scum factions almost necessarily has scum on it somewhere, and you pointing it out is you trying to produce a read without actually doing anything.

[Randomnamechange]

I'm not posting much because my posts are concise and to the point.
Diamond is probs getting night killed at some point. Just saying.

[Wanderer-nl]

@Diamond: Why do you want to call out Duppin but have no interest engaging with the ohter lurkers?

I've been reading but haven't been able to form reads yet. Not sure if it'sd because of a lot of unfamiliar names or just not really into this game but I'll try to pick it up tomorrow. Am at work now and have some stuff to do during the day tomorrow but after that i have some free time.

[DiamondSentinel]

For everyone wondering, I called out Duppin because he hopped on the wagon as one of his very few posts.

[lilith2013]

Um..... Which wagon are you talking about? He was the first one to vote you because you refused to contribute or participate during RVS. Then he voted Apricity, who has all of one vote.

[lilith2013]

Hopping on a wagon generally implies that there are already people voting the wagonee...

[DiamondSentinel]

Well, when [someone] posted my wagon, I noticed that he was on there, and hadn't hardly participated. (kinda ironic that he voted me for not participating)

That's just what drew my attention.

[itlepip]

I'm not posting much because my posts are concise and to the point.
Diamond is probs getting night killed at some point. Just saying.

This I 100% disagree with, at this point if I were scum diamond would be the top people to bring to lylo with me.

[Diego1487]

Prodge. Hella last few days. Sorry.

[Apricity]

Okay, I'm more or less caught up now. Sorry for the delay.

I have Itlepip, Lilith, and MOTIS as town. Slight town on Jester and Diamond. Duppin sitting between slight town and null. Null on ASP, Not_Mafia, and Wanderer. Scum lean on Random. I need to take another look at Sharky and Diego.

Posting my current notes on Sharky and Diego so I can come back to it later.

Spoiler: Sharky and Diego

Diego1487: scum? Asking itle whether his vote was serious when it’s the 3rd post. Omguses lilith’s switched RVS vote on him. 159 is fine, but…how many votes on Diamond is that now? Switches vote in 214 but still questions Diamond. 249: how about your own? 252: where is this?

Sharky5x: scum? Jumped on Not_Mafia wagon without question on the 2nd post. Votes Lilith for RVSing so much. I like his 42, I would’ve asked that as well. Thinks it’s odd that so many voted for Diego (me, Jester, Not_Mafia) and thinks it might just have been a stupid town thing. Not sure what to think about 88—he justifies a bit too much. 144 is scum or careless defensive town. I like 221. Reaction to pressure in 265 and 272 is pretty bad. Seems to be why itle voted him. He’s got 3 votes now. Explain 281--idgi? After MOTIS—he has 4 votes. Says his bad reaction was due to irl reasons. 305 is fine.

[Apricity]

I'm not posting much because my posts are concise and to the point.
Diamond is probs getting night killed at some point. Just saying.

I would also agree that this post is way out there. Don't see why Random thinks this.

[DiamondSentinel]

Tbh, I think he's trying to gain my undying devotion.

[DiamondSentinel]

Scum has done that to me before when I was town. ^_^

[Apricity]

Forgot my vote was still sitting on Diego.

UNVOTE: Diego

I'll do my re-read later tonight.

[The_Jester]

Scum has done that to me before when I was town. ^_^

Eww. Self-meta is scummy.