Blitz 6: Normal! [Game Over]

[farside22]

seriously


fuck

[farside22]

I can't believe titus was town.

Sorry about that, I'm going to slap myself a few times later.

Right now I'm going to POE this shit.

Yakko (claimed vig)
Aqua (claimed BG)
farside (mason)

Unknow:

Malakittens
thelynx
kop
itlepip

Going to reread a few players now.

[farside22]

Going to say itlepip is still a town read for me.
leaning town with thelynx

So either Kop or Mala are the last scum this game.

[farside22]

let me know if anyone disagree's with my thought process.

[Aquanim]

It'd take a fair bit to convince me the itlepip-Nosferatu interaction was a bus.

Also agree lhix is a townlean.

I ought to review both of those though.

[Malakittens]

Tbh it's probably between lhix or Kop.

I'll reread later and do VCA to see if that changes or not.

[itlepip]

I still am not convinced that Yakko is vig and not SK. I'm worried that the shot was to be able to shoot right before lylo and win as SK. Right now I'm in favor of lynching Yakko today for safety and then probably mala and kop.

VOTE: Yakko

[hi im Yakko]

That pussy vote. For safety? You're saying you don't actually believe I am a SK, but want to lynch me anyway. How autismo can you get.

[Aquanim]

I don't believe a bodyguard and a pair of masons against three scum and an SK is balanced by the standards of this site.

(Note: If there is another PR out there, you should claim now.)

[itlepip]

I don't believe a bodyguard and a pair of masons against three scum and an SK is balanced by the standards of this site.

(Note: If there is another PR out there, you should claim now.)

I feel like it is closer to being balanced then a BG, two masons and a vig against 3 scum. One possibility is we don't actually have a BG, Aqua, who did you target n2 again?

[Aquanim]

Fine. I feel more strongly about making people shut up about this than the (still good) reasons not to do this now. Good job.

Titus night 1, figured the lurking and arrogance might have meant PR and if Titus was shot it would be because scum thought she would tunnel in the correct direction d2.

Farside night 2, because I strongly expected her to be shot and enough people are derping over my claim that confirming my alignment by death was more important than preserving the presence of my own opinion in the thread.

[Aquanim]

Four claimable roles (considering Bodyguard doesn't actually decrease effective scum KP, Masons don't do much besides confirm each other, and Vigilante can shoot townies pretty easily too) seems entirely balanced against a three-man scumteam.

It's comparable to MMVVDTT in C9++; scum don't have a Godfather which would be worthless anyway, and town both don't know anything about the setup which would allow them to setup spec and have a significantly worse role in place of the Doctor.

[Aquanim]

Actually, that reads even more weighted against town than the corresponding C9++ setup. Then again, if the last scum is also a Goon then they don't have the corresponding Roleblocker either, which I think moves it back closer to even.

[itlepip]

@LoHa

: From one Teamliquid expatriate to another... this forum operates much less on ego-boosting and shit-flinging arguments. (Mostly.) Getting a feel for the different meta here is very important. (Same goes for Lhix on that score, actually.)

And yes Titus, your read is being "discredited" because, quite simply, it is worth no credit. Right or wrong, it was terrible.

To repeat myself again: agreeing with you that not much has happened in the thread is NOT a reason he should townread you. Scum frequently make accurate statements.

@LoHa

: From one Teamliquid expatriate to another... this forum operates much less on ego-boosting and shit-flinging arguments. (Mostly.) Getting a feel for the different meta here is very important. (Same goes for Lhix on that score, actually.)

And yes Titus, your read is being "discredited" because, quite simply, it is worth no credit. Right or wrong, it was terrible.

To repeat myself again: agreeing with you that not much has happened in the thread is NOT a reason he should townread you. Scum frequently make accurate statements.

He shouldn't vote someone whom the only thing he says is he agrees with me. That's the issue. It's a scumclaim. You're placing a strawman.

I don't see why. My opinion is that you had done very little to advance the thread at that point. If you're aware that it's a problem, but have done next-to-nothing about it, that's pretty scummy.

Actually, that reads even more weighted against town than the corresponding C9++ setup. Then again, if the last scum is also a Goon then they don't have the corresponding Roleblocker either, which I think moves it back closer to even.

I'll buy this unless someone more experienced disagrees.

[farside22]

I don't believe a bodyguard and a pair of masons against three scum and an SK is balanced by the standards of this site.

(Note: If there is another PR out there, you should claim now.)

This is more balanced.
Also pip's recent comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[itlepip]

I don't believe a bodyguard and a pair of masons against three scum and an SK is balanced by the standards of this site.

(Note: If there is another PR out there, you should claim now.)

This is more balanced.
Also pip's recent comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Why? This is the only game where I have had to deal with how the game is balanced, I have thoughts on the matter but I can't make a definite claim on whether we have an a balanced game with all the current claims.

[farside22]

I don't believe a bodyguard and a pair of masons against three scum and an SK is balanced by the standards of this site.

(Note: If there is another PR out there, you should claim now.)

This is more balanced.
Also pip's recent comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Why? This is the only game where I have had to deal with how the game is balanced, I have thoughts on the matter but I can't make a definite claim on whether we have an a balanced game with all the current claims.

Even if, let's say, yakko was an sk. We have scum to deal with and he would have an uphil battle if we lynch scum today to win.

So with that said, who is scum?
Kop or mala?

[itlepip]

Kop really hasn't posted any reads this entire game, he said a little on meta for vigi claiming, a little bit on day 1 bussing and thats it. I would say kop but I see both getting lynched here.

[TheLhix]

All other suspicions have been confirmed, such as Nos and Titus. Yakko will be tested during the night faze (automatically sealing his death give or take on the flip or not, or his actions or not during the night phase) and all my reasons for Mala still stand, especially now with her defensive nature. I refuse anything but her death, and if yakko complies we can still see her flip with earnest honesty.

[KittyMo]

[1] hi im Yakko ~ itlepip
[1] Malakittens ~ TheLhix
[5] Not Voting ~ Aquanim, farside22, hi im Yakko, Kop, TheLhix

With

7

alive, it's

4

to lynch!

Deadline is at (expired on 2015-11-24 14:00:00).

[Aquanim]

All other suspicions have been confirmed, such as Nos and Titus.
...

What about Kop?

[TheLhix]

All other suspicions have been confirmed, such as Nos and Titus.
...

What about Kop?

While kop is a prime target due to inactivity, I have restated over and over the reason why I am gunning for Mala. Help me flip her at least and then my vote is all for Kop. Mala has been less active that most as well

[hi im Yakko]

Lol kop is just chillin.

[farside22]

just doing a break down for a moment.

7 players
1 scum, 6 town.

1 mislynch
1 scum 5 town
yakko shots and scum shots

1scum 3town

I only did this to show with number if yakko is a SK on some crazy side what happens at that point is a no lynch and let scum/sk figure it out.

Any questions in regards to the break down?

[Aquanim]

I prefer the situation where Yakko doesn't shoot and we have two lynches to work with before LYLO, myself.

Also the numbers change if Yakko is one-shot bulletproof SK.