Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[Klingoncelt]

What the fudge was up with the hasty lynch?
Me and RR had formed the conclusion pistachi0n wasn't scum. And the BRantz thing is dubious but is a matter for post game discussion.
Where's the other scum kill?
If Klingoncelt vigged we should have two kills, and Ranger roleblocked pistachi0n.

Suzune didn't use either of her 2 abilities... maybe she's Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

Elibern should of actually targeted Klingoncelt dammit.
She claimed 1-shot vig and commuter, and if she was lying about the vig shot we would know.

I vigged Pistachion. I said I would. Where's the lie?

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Klingoncelt
Either klingon is scum, or scum pulled a no-kill gambit.

It's the no-kill gambit, unless there's a roleblocker we don't know about.

[Suzune]

What the fudge was up with the hasty lynch?
Me and RR had formed the conclusion pistachi0n wasn't scum. And the BRantz thing is dubious but is a matter for post game discussion.
Where's the other scum kill?
If Klingoncelt vigged we should have two kills, and Ranger roleblocked pistachi0n.

Suzune didn't use either of her 2 abilities... maybe she's Scum?

haha, that's a laugh. You know i could not have used the aestic one because then he would not have been able to read me. I did not use the redirect because I had no way of knowing who was going to die and thought it was better not to waste it. If you remember we had a great debate about using my powers before the day end.

[FireKari]

What the fudge was up with the hasty lynch?
Me and RR had formed the conclusion pistachi0n wasn't scum. And the BRantz thing is dubious but is a matter for post game discussion.
Where's the other scum kill?
If Klingoncelt vigged we should have two kills, and Ranger roleblocked pistachi0n.

Suzune didn't use either of her 2 abilities... maybe she's Scum?

How you know this?

[Suzune]

Fire it was announced it last page

[FireKari]

Fire it was announced it last page

You said you didn't use ascetic.
~Yukari

[Suzune]

What are you confused about. Of course I did not. That would be silly because Elbrin was going to read me.

Suzune has two abilities, both of which have one shot each

Oh! I get it. He had no way of knowing whether or not I used my abilities.

[Klingoncelt]

What the fudge was up with the hasty lynch?
Me and RR had formed the conclusion pistachi0n wasn't scum. And the BRantz thing is dubious but is a matter for post game discussion.
Where's the other scum kill?
If Klingoncelt vigged we should have two kills, and Ranger roleblocked pistachi0n.

Suzune didn't use either of her 2 abilities... maybe she's Scum?

haha, that's a laugh. You know i could not have used the aestic one because then he would not have been able to read me. I did not use the redirect because I had no way of knowing who was going to die and thought it was better not to waste it. If you remember we had a great debate about using my powers before the day end.

I know, I was just throwing it out there. A lot of players claim something other than what they are, you know.

[Suzune]

My claim is so bizarre I am not clever enough to make it up.

[Klingoncelt]

I think you're very clever.

But I think you're too nice and honest to lie for very long. You just aren't the scheming dishonest type.

[FireKari]

Klingon, Suzune, Ranger, and Elbirn. Could you please give a full reads list with thoughts on everyone other than RR and wgeurts? The more detailed the better, some effort would be appreciated.

Lets take our time and solve this game together please.

@Wgeurts and RR
We are curious of your thoughts as well, so would you please compile your thoughts on everyone, but wait until the others have posted before giving your full report to avoid contaminating the reads of those who are not confirmed town?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Actually, how about everyone compiles their thoughts seperately, states when they are ready to share, and then we all share our reports simultaneously?

Wat do you guys think?
~Yukari

[Suzune]

I like your plan. I will type them up on my computer and be ready to share tomorrow because I have work soon. This keeps the scum from copying

[FireKari]

Honestly, we won't name names specifically but we expected more from certain people. This could be a chance for redemption. We would like to see more effort from everyone, even if just for this short burst. If we all pitch in the effort to really re-analyze the game, keep our thoughts to ourselves until the moment of truth simultaneous share to avoid bias rubbing off on each other and to prevent remaining scum from being able to choose to go with the flow or whatever, perhaps there is a good chance we can solve this game before the day phase ends.

Can still interrogate each other/ask questions about things you find during thread analysis if you see possible opportunity for benefit, not trying to say we should all just shut up completely until the sharing time. However we do see multiple possible benefits to everyone mostly keeping their thoughts seperate for a while and letting each player come to their own conclusions individually.

Best case scenario, we solve the game here and now. In the least, we don't see how trying this plan could hurt anything.

Also, correct us if wrong, but assuming 2 kills per day/night cycle and 1 scum remaining, it looks like we have 2 chances left to lynch scum. We really want to win our last game, so we think it would be best to try and make the most of this time we have left and rly put our best efforts into solving things.

7-2=5
5-2=3


UNVOTE: Klingoncelt
For now.

~Yukari

[wgeurts]

I'm rereading the entire game, suggest you lot do so as well

[FireKari]

I'm rereading the entire game, suggest you lot do so as well

Same, plus ISOs.
~Yukari

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon, Suzune, Ranger, and Elbirn. Could you please give a full reads list with thoughts on everyone other than RR and wgeurts? The more detailed the better, some effort would be appreciated.

Lets take our time and solve this game together please.

@Wgeurts and RR
We are curious of your thoughts as well, so would you please compile your thoughts on everyone, but wait until the others have posted before giving your full report to avoid contaminating the reads of those who are not confirmed town?
~Yukari

It will be later in the day tomorrow (Monday) but okay.

[Ranger]

If I were to contribute right at this moment, I would be doing so with a mark then vote on FireKari, while advocating a lynch on Klingoncelt.

I do think it best to reread before anything final, and I will not vote/mark a player without the approval of wgeurts and/or Reasonable Rational.

[Ranger]

VOTECOUNT 1.04
LicketyQuickety (4): Suzune, Jeanne11, Ranger, Firekari
Titus (3): Blackest Magick, wgeurts, Bright
Elbirn (3): pistachi0n, BRantz, Titus

This may be a vague indicator Elbirn could be scum. Why did LQ vote Titus rather than the larger (all-town) Elbirn wagon?

VOTECOUNT 1.10
LicketyQuickety (3): Ranger, Titus, Suzune

Suzune left then came back; this would be an indicator to me of Suzune being town. FireKari left.

VOTECOUNT 1.11
LicketyQuickety (5): Ranger, Titus, Suzune, Jeanne11, Firekari

...And came back...

VOTECOUNT 1.12
LicketyQuickety (5): Ranger, Titus, Suzune, Jeanne11, Elbirn

...And left again.

VOTECOUNT 1.17
LicketyQuickety (7): Ranger, Suzune, Jeanne11, Elbirn, Firekari, Titus, pistachi0n

This was the point where LQ's power was confirmed. (I'm also making a mental note to check FireKari's reaction to LQ's claim. FireKari's reaction to seeing LQ claim to be a bulletproof double-voter should, if town, have been to call BS when they themselves are a double-voter.)

VOTECOUNT 1.18
LicketyQuickety (6): Ranger, Suzune, Firekari, Titus, pistachi0n, Jeanne11

...And Elbirn hopped off. (Of note, though: Bright was positioned on Elbirn for seven votecounts.)

On the Blackest Magic end of things, Elbirn voted them for the first nine, briefly moved to Titus on the tenth votecount, unvoted, and from there, was basically always on LQ.

VOTECOUNT 2.02
Blackest Magick (5): BRantz, Ranger, Elbirn, wgeurts, FireKari

If Elbirn or FireKari are scum, then this is unusual, since it'd be a double-bus from them.

VOTECOUNT 2.03
Blackest Magick (4): Ranger, Elbirn, Jeanne11, Suzune

However, FireKari

does

unvote, moving to Reasonably Rational.

This has given me a few things I wish to focus my investigation on, but it's not anything conclusive yet.

[FireKari]

Will likely take us most of 2 days to read through everything.

If I were to contribute right at this moment, I would be doing so with a mark then vote on FireKari, while advocating a lynch on Klingoncelt.

I do think it best to reread before anything final, and I will not vote/mark a player without the approval of wgeurts and/or Reasonable Rational.

Probably for the best to not use the mark on your own. It was a complete waste using it on someone who was doomed to be lynched or vigged. Also, among other things, the no NK scenario from your flawed trap would have been much more informative if you had not yet revealed your ability, not until after getting some utility from it. The trap could have been much more effective if scum did not see it coming.

~Yukari

[FireKari]

VOTECOUNT 1.04
LicketyQuickety (4): Suzune, Jeanne11, Ranger, Firekari
Titus (3): Blackest Magick, wgeurts, Bright
Elbirn (3): pistachi0n, BRantz, Titus

This may be a vague indicator Elbirn could be scum. Why did LQ vote Titus rather than the larger (all-town) Elbirn wagon?

VOTECOUNT 1.10
LicketyQuickety (3): Ranger, Titus, Suzune

Suzune left then came back; this would be an indicator to me of Suzune being town. FireKari left.

VOTECOUNT 1.11
LicketyQuickety (5): Ranger, Titus, Suzune, Jeanne11, Firekari

...And came back...

VOTECOUNT 1.12
LicketyQuickety (5): Ranger, Titus, Suzune, Jeanne11, Elbirn

...And left again.

VOTECOUNT 1.17
LicketyQuickety (7): Ranger, Suzune, Jeanne11, Elbirn, Firekari, Titus, pistachi0n

This was the point where LQ's power was confirmed. (I'm also making a mental note to check FireKari's reaction to LQ's claim. FireKari's reaction to seeing LQ claim to be a bulletproof double-voter should, if town, have been to call BS when they themselves are a double-voter.)

VOTECOUNT 1.18
LicketyQuickety (6): Ranger, Suzune, Firekari, Titus, pistachi0n, Jeanne11

...And Elbirn hopped off. (Of note, though: Bright was positioned on Elbirn for seven votecounts.)

On the Blackest Magic end of things, Elbirn voted them for the first nine, briefly moved to Titus on the tenth votecount, unvoted, and from there, was basically always on LQ.

VOTECOUNT 2.02
Blackest Magick (5): BRantz, Ranger, Elbirn, wgeurts, FireKari

If Elbirn or FireKari are scum, then this is unusual, since it'd be a double-bus from them.

VOTECOUNT 2.03
Blackest Magick (4): Ranger, Elbirn, Jeanne11, Suzune

However, FireKari

does

unvote, moving to Reasonably Rational.

This has given me a few things I wish to focus my investigation on, but it's not anything conclusive yet.

Guess you didn't like the idea of waiting for a simultaneous read share..

Also, we never unvoted LQ. We used our vote to help sort other players but we had LQ pegged as scum from early on, never read lq as anything other than scum, and ended up on his lynch.
~Yukari

[Ranger]

So I double-isoed FireKari and LicketyQuickety.

I found a few things of interest on the second page:

Yes. LQ still seems to be optimal D1 lynch so far from our perspectives.

FireKari had to be coaxed back into revoting LicketyQuickety, in spite of having been not voting at the time.

Like this post.
~Yukari

This, speaking of 1127.

I noted that a lot of FireKari's votes in fact seem to be meant to appease: the vote on LQ was appeasing Jeanne. The vote on Blackest Magick was appeasing Elbirn. FireKari's votes since then have also been appeasement to the confirmed town.

So right now, I'm looking at something like this:
{wgeurts, Reasonably Rational}
{Suzune}
{Elbirn}
{FireKari, Klingoncelt}.

I'd prefer I block/mark one and we lynch the other, but this is just a preliminary reading. I'll need to look at things in full-context to get a better idea.

[FireKari]

Open 610 dead PT.

Night, bedtime.
~Yukari

[Ranger]

Another angle we

can

approach this from is a systematic POE angle: the scum

must

nightkill me if they wish to avoid confirming the player I mark/vote as town. Assuming they do, we have seven alive. That gives us three lynches, when there are only four possible names: Suzune, Elbirn, FireKari, and Klingoncelt. We just need to figure out one town player, and then we've got an automatic win.