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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:41 am

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In post 472, GuiltyLion wrote:I know I haven't explained my scumread on Postie yet, that was intentional as I wanted to see her reaction as well as the reactions of others.

What kind of reaction were you looking for?

Shos even explicitly said he's not a cop, that was his mason Dong.

Oh, right, yeah. My brain screwed there somewhere. I don't know how.

I'm a bit skeptical of taking 'shos and vonflare are conftown' as a given, they could easily be a scum faction. shos' 180 degree turn around would make sense if he were another traitor and vonflare attacked him, which could also explain no NKs on N1. Just throwing these ideas out there, I'm still thinking on them, but that's basically why I think Postie's PoE line of thinking is altogether too easy on D2 and not really a town thought process.

I hadn't thought about some of those things; those are good points.
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:47 am

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In post 451, vonflare wrote:well

he claimed cop earlier

so the obvious conclusion is

In post 436, shos wrote:So.......yeah.......I'm not a cop -_-
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:00 am

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In post 365, shos wrote:
I hereby claim cop
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:15 am

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In post 476, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 436, shos wrote:So.......yeah.......I'm not a cop -_-
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:17 am

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In post 477, vonflare wrote:
In post 365, shos wrote:
I hereby claim cop
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:18 am

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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:21 am

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So? Dong flipped cop and shos admitted the result on Shiro came from dong I believe. So why would you continue to think shos is a cop?
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:22 am

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I must have missed that post
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:38 am

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Guys you're really acting like newbies.
Dong was a cop. I was his mason. After confirming him to be town, I claimed cop with his results. I'm not the cop, but I am something else.

I know that vonflare is town aligned.
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:48 am

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Yes and I'm still confused about how you confirmed that von is town without being a cop but whatever.
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:54 am

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Heyo, Flubber, you nameclaim please? Thaaaanks :D

Anyone else who hasn't please do so too, not sure who has/hasn't.
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:10 am

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Davsto: Opportunist
Postie: Swindler
Lilith: Ruffian
GuiltyLion: Fabulist
Vonflare: Prevaricator
Shos: Hypocrite? (couldn't tell if this was a nameclaim or not)
Flubber: not yet claimed

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BNL: Spinner of Yarns/Scoundrel
Shiro: Falsifier
Dong: Liar
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:19 am

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Yup, it was.

Unvote


Let's lynch postie
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:23 am

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Why the sudden unvote?
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:24 am

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Because you look better
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:40 am

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Ugh. If I end up at L-1 while I'm away, please don't hammer without giving me the chance to claim (very important).
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:43 am

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UNVOTE: GuiltyLion
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:45 am

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actually
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:52 am

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Why?
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:55 am

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vote him too
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:02 pm

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Explain first please
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:11 pm

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Not gonna happen you do your thinking yourself if you're town.
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:39 pm

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Alright, finally here for all those things I promised:

In post 443, Postie wrote:Yeah, but why are you scumreading me?


I have a number of reasons for scumreading Postie:

- Awkward voting habits to start the game: Postie RVS voted Dong in , but then immediately made a second (RVS?) vote on vonflare in , then switched to the Counsel in . This all happened in the span of 40ish minutes RL time, so it's all pretty much fun and games at that point, but I tend to scumread people who votehop a lot for silly reasons because it reads to me like they don't want to commit to anything that could get them negative attention (why is your vote on [x]? = 'oh I just left it there, haven't really found a better target yet', etc).

Plus, I don't like people voting the Counsel, which seems to be just a distracting mechanic that can be used by scum to avoid legitimate productive scumhunting. My question to Postie in was meant to kind of push this point - lynching the Counsel doesn't tell us anything and most likely would not be a scumlynch, in my view - and she kinda dodged the point of my question by saying she thinks the Counsel might be scum.

- I didn't like her vote on Dong in . Part of this is my past experience with Dong, he's a very trolly and difficult to read player, but that makes him easily mislynchable and this vote seemed to me like a convenient way to take an argument that is fundamentally non-alignment-indicative ("did vonflare express an opinion on Dong or not") and use it to start a push.

- BNL vote based on mechanics: So I had a back and forth with Postie in the thread about this, but I thought it was a bit of a reach to vote BNL because he claimed a role that he had thought of before. At the time I didn't mind it too much because I had my own scumread on BNL and I wanted to see his lynch through, but "your roleclaim is a lie" was a convenient opinion to take and I definitely would have scumread her a hell of a lot harder for sheeping me on that wagon if BNL had flipped town. Dong basically shares the same opinion in .

- reads to me like one of those classic softball questions to look town while not really doing anything substantive. "Any leads?" is one of my classic major scumtells in Town of Salem.

- is far too waffley, she's basically saying she's scumreading BNL but she doesn't want to vote him because she's also scumreading Dong. The worst thing to do there is to vote neither!

- Lack of 'town paranoia': I kind of made this point already earlier today, but it didn't strike me as a town mindset in how quick Postie was to assume shos/vonflare are town, couple them with her townreads, and narrow her lynchpool down to two people immediately. It's an easy way to excuse tunneling on one or two players (Flubber feels especially like lynchbait as he has been hardcore lurking), and I think town!Postie would be a lot more open towards questioning everyone involved today and letting some pushes/threads of conversation play out. I didn't like how she basically declared that she's on board for my lynch in when I've barely done anything yet today, either.
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:45 pm

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In post 443, Postie wrote:
What kind of reaction were you looking for?


I'm not sure, exactly, it was more of a 'let's do this and see what happens' type of deal. I like starting the day off with naked votes, I can see if people push back on me for it, I can see if people sheep me and try to evaluate their reasons for also voting the person, I can see if the person I vote has a reaction or tries to completely ignore it, etc. I wasn't really looking for something specific, I just wanted to generate some content.

@shos - not sure I buy this Flubber push from you, I only have one game of experience with Flubber but this doesn't seem very different from his town game in that last one. His vote on dong was kinda weak but I liked his Davsto point in and is a question I thought more people should be asking.
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:44 pm

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I'm not asking because I'm going to vote flubber, I'm asking so I can try to understand your reasoning, which mainly is to help me figure out if you're town or not.

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