Micro 549: Everything Is A Lie 2 (Game Over)

[GuiltyLion]

In my opinion if you lynch me you should have flubber lie detect postie tomorrow and make her full claim. This will confirm both of them one way or the other.

[lilith2013]

We started out with 2 scum and 2 aliens, if we are in the same setup (numbers-wise) as last game.

Shiro flipped alien. Shos was the one to out the result. Vonflare shot Shiro and revealed himself as desperado. Shiro gave the "post restriction" to Dav (and I'm townreading him). That leaves GL, Postie, or Flubber as the 2nd alien. I guess it's certainly possible wgeurts lied in my PM.

UNVOTE: GuiltyLion
while I reread this thread.

[Postie]

Okay, but what are the chances of BOTH of us being lied to? Or if I'm scum, what are the chances of me happening to fake an incriminating result on the person you have an incriminating result on? I mean it's possible but I hardly see it as likely.

[lilith2013]

[youtube][/youtube]So dav looks town

Postie looks scummy but ew wagon speed

@flubber: I still want to know exactly what wagon formed on Postie.


@Postie: I guess I'm also pretty skeptical about so many cop-y roles in this game. Cause like, somebody had to send the role result to me, and it most likely wasn't you or shos, who also claim to have cop-y roles, plus there was Dong who was a cop. That's a lot for a 10p game.



By the way, PSA:

don't waste your night actions on me

[shos]

GuiltyLion, what did your role PM say about your "mason" partner who flipped nottown?

And lilith, I am copping you tonight whether you like it or not

[lilith2013]

Okay then, I'll do it this way:

I'm ascetic so it won't work.

[lilith2013]

@GL: there should be 3 scum left (1 alien and 1 of the other faction), but you only put 2 people on your reads list as scum. Who do you think the other one is? And do you have any thoughts on who is which faction?

[shos]

Pretty obvious to me that:

"Alien-Traitor Godfather Mason"
is probably like last game, a mason-traitor with his own buddy, who is also his mason traitor - GuiltyLion.

Why isn't this lynch happening yet

@Lilith: lemme check something and I'll get back to you.

[lilith2013]

@GL: there should be 3 scum left (1 alien and 1 of the other faction), but you only put 2 people on your reads list as scum. Who do you think the other one is? And do you have any thoughts on who is which faction?

Oops this should read "1 alien and 2 of the other faction."

Shhh shos I want to hear what GL says.

[wgeurts]

VC 3.04

GuiltyLion (3):

Postie, Shos, Davsto

vonflare (1):

The Counsel

Postie (1):

GuiltyLion

FlubberNugget (1):

vonflare

Not Voting:

Flubbernugget, The Counsel, lilith2013

With 8 votes, 5 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-11-29 16:09:43)

[lilith2013]

And I'm pretty sure nothing will happen if you cop me but go ahead and check.

[shos]

Nay, I won't waste it. I'll cop someone else,maybe

davsto

or something.

If I die, it's probably because davsto is scum then, and they killed me to not get results

[Postie]

Except now that you've said that they might kill you to frame Davsto. :/

[shos]

Yeah, but <CLASSIFIED>.
My role may or may not also reflexively kill anyone trying to kill my targets
and I doubt they will kill me if Davsto is town

[Postie]

and I doubt they will kill me if Davsto is town

Fair point.

[lilith2013]

Why wouldn't they kill you if davsto is town?

[Postie]

If they knew Flubber wasn't on their team, I think he would pose a far bigger threat.

[GuiltyLion]

@shows - I already answered that, the role pm said we were both "guaranteed" [in quotes] to be town.

Lilith - how do you know how many scum there are? I think there's only one faction, there's only been one NK per night. I have no idea where your guess of 1-1 came from, you need to explain

[GuiltyLion]

EBWOP - sorry, should've read more closely - "your guess of 1-2", not "1-1"

[GuiltyLion]

Also look at shos now trying to use set up spec based on last game to implicate me, because literally nothing I've done is scum motivated so you all have to make up mechanics reasons to keep your votes explained.

[lilith2013]

@shows - I already answered that, the role pm said we were both "guaranteed" [in quotes] to be town.

Lilith - how do you know how many scum there are? I think there's only one faction, there's only been one NK per night. I have no idea where your guess of 1-1 came from, you need to explain

I said, if we are in the same setup as last game, numbers-wise, then it's 1 and 2. And last game, one of the factions didn't have NK. So there being only one NK doesn't mean there's only one faction. Also, I feel like the default scum faction is mafia, and Shiro flipped alien, not mafia.

Shos is definitely not alien (aside from vonflare, shos is the most confirmed non-alien for outing Shiro), so why do you keep saying he's scum if you think there's only one scum faction?

[GuiltyLion]

Hmph that's a good point. I've just been trying to look at play, not relational association to Shiro. I don't assume anything about set up, I just look for people who look scummy.

I mean if Dong/shos are masons and Dong says he's cop with a guilty on Shiro, shos is basically forced to do what he did to look like town. Plus it's a great move for towncred, bussing is not that bad in a Micro if there is more than two scum.

I mainly just think he's scum because it's easy to 'clear' a townie as town and give up a scum when your mason partner gives them to you, and then ride the towncred the rest of the game. He doesn't seem to care about honestly evaluating people's alignments, he just posts some lulzy one-liner and votes them. That's why I think he could be scum.

Part of it might honestly just be reflexive 'he's scum for pushing me', I was inebriated when I posted that readslist, and I tend to fall into that fallacy often. I'm terrible with TvT tunnels

[GuiltyLion]

Regardless, theres more time to look at shos tomorrow, Postie is already confscum in my view.

[shos]

@GL:
us masons could also talk during the day. I was part of the decision to cop Shiro in the first place, while I copped Dong to make sure he is actually town (a lesson from last game.) Then, when we lynched Shiro, Dong was killed and flipped town, meaning I'm 100% sure my sanity is correct, which means vonflae is town too.

You, on the other hand, were masons with "guaranteed" town. My role pm does not have the double-quotes. at all.
Aaaaaand your partner flipped Mason-traitor alien.

this suggest you're his partner veeeeery much.

However, Lilith claimed that your role is role-forger.


So lil, explain to me EXACTLY (without quoting the mod) what you know about his role.

[shos]

also @GL - you doiong nothing scummy means nothing, in case this is multiball, which very well may be