In post 124, Taly wrote:Well, what was your feels and thoughts about it?
I'm wondering why you said it I guess? Looks vaguely like a call for help.
In post 124, Taly wrote:Well, what was your feels and thoughts about it?
In post 124, Taly wrote:What do you think of Ice and Wickan's push onto me?
talah wrote:
Yeah I'd lynch you at this point.
talah wrote:
I would *definitely* lynch you right now.
Titus wrote:
This Wickan wagon is crap.
RC is voting someone who she has a townread on and didn't move the vote. Wicked points this out and votes RC.
In post 124, Taly wrote:Do you understand the Titus push, because I'm not exactly... And I'm waiting for RC to recognize my existence.
In post 127, ICEninja wrote:Am I missing something there? This is triggering some SERIOUS daytalk paranoia
In post 125, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Phone posting so this is gonna be broken up. But really sorry.
In post 124, Taly wrote:Well, what was your feels and thoughts about it?
I'm wondering why you said it I guess? Looks vaguely like a call for help.
In post 126, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 124, Taly wrote:What do you think of Ice and Wickan's push onto me?
I think they make sense from the "I haven't played with Scum Taly" point of view and you getting all worked up will only make it worse in their eyes. Calm down.
In post 129, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 124, Taly wrote:Do you understand the Titus push, because I'm not exactly... And I'm waiting for RC to recognize my existence.
Bells doesn't have anything good yet. That's why he's a non presence.
Titus is someone I disagree with a lot so I'm trying to hold judgment until she actually comes in here and explains herself.
In post 132, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I mean guys the thread's been open for less than two days, is it the time to condemn people as lurkerscum?
In post 133, Taly wrote:1) Scum have daytalk for 3 days. This may not mean much, but typically - you'd think people who didn't post much or didn't post anything useful so far would be somewhat suspicious for having conversations in a scum PT.
In post 1, mykonian wrote:Role PM's are out! As in all myko games, don't bother confirming, day one starts now! People with night talk will have 72 hours to get accustomed to another.
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch. Deadline is in three weeks.
As a personal request from the mod, in a game this small it should not be necessary to have replacements. I don't mind looking for them, but when playing I enjoy games a lot more without the inevitable hindrance they are to the flow of the game. I imagine I'm not alone in this. Please treat this game as a commitment.
In post 121, ICEninja wrote:
One of the big hallmarks of scum play is they so frequently admit things are possible, or that something makes sense for them as scum, only to brush it off in the next sentence. Town hasabsolutely no businesssaying this at all because if you already KNOW you're town then that thought wouldn't even enter your head, let alone "confuse" you enough to post it.
I legitimately feel like this was a substantial scum slip, as it shows insight in to a thought process that someone with a town role PM simply wouldn't have had.
In post 141, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
@Taly where's your head? are you a waiting person? Is no one currently caught up in the game worthy of your vote?
In post 141, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
@Wickan does your Taly vote mean you think Taly and Ice are both scum, or that Taly is scum trying to buddy up with Ice? If either, why?
In post 124, Taly wrote:
1)Yes, I am having difficulty that Ice's thought process is town. Does that mean he must be scum? Disagreements don't always mean scum, this is why town gets lynched.
2)I didn't explicitly say that I thought Ice was misguided town. I said that some elements of his approach with his argument was towny - and when he asserted that I was scum and trying to bait me for the vote, I told him why I may not be voting him - which is partially the truth.
Assumptions are corrosive, especially when people weigh them too harshly on people who are scum. I have a mixed read on Ice - in case you didn't realize.
Did you NOT read my 53?
When was my vote EVER completely about pressuring you?
And no explanation? I'm sorry, but did you not see the part where I said:
3) The wagon - in my belief - did go too fast, and with the posts I already brought up where I unvoted, I wanted to look at that more.
Sorry I didn't draw a picture and sent it in a separate post.
Nice seeing how you completely changed your demeanor and thought of your wagon when I argued against this shit case over my vote.
In post 113, Wickan wrote:d) claims to "get into a lot of TvT in games; and e) follows along with ICE's hedge on reading Johnny. This looks like a combination of trying to paint his interaction with ICE as town v town and follow along with ICE's other suspicions.
Oh, I can give you ALL my town games. You'll see me get into a lot of shit with people.
Talah, RC, Titus - they've all seen my town game at least once (Same as ABR, I think) - and Johnny and RC have seen my scum game.
1)Where am I hedging Ice's read on Johnny? All I said was that - partially a meta read - I thought Johnny was quite town. Since my very last game he was town.
I made it clear that I also thought his tone was different, and I wanted to observe a bit more to be firm on the read.
2)What is bad about pointing out the POSSIBILITY of TvT? Honestly, out of the 7-8 games I've been in, only 1 or 2 is where someone (town) pointed out that a 1v1 could be town shitting on each other.
I mean, would you rather see me put a huge damn dichotomy and division of the people in this game and outright assert that Ice is scum as he had done to me? Or he should be lynched - so anyone can go off of his flip and flashlynch me next dayphase?
Tell me a time where pointing out someone, or an interaction is town - could be from a scum who wants to cause as much chaos as possible to get town against each other.
Speaking of opportunistic votes...
In post 113, Wickan wrote:@FA: ICENinja isn't pushing me. Voting for me yes, but pushing me no. I think the wagon on me was normal D1 pressure, which tapered off when Taly decided to prematurely abandon it.
And does that tell you that you should pay attention to Ice's "theory" that we're a scumpair? -_-
Does my - explained unvote - put ANY pressure off of you, because you got quite a few votes quickly and for varying reasons.
In post 113, Wickan wrote:In post 96, ICEninja wrote:As I pointed out earlier, this could make total sense for them to be a scumpair, particularly regarding Wickan's subtle defense of Taly's unvote in 78.
The question in 78 was meant 100% seriously. The problem, as occurred to me while I was writing it, was that the single best answer for why scum-Taly unvoted me is that I was also scum. But from my perspective, that obviously doesn't make sense. I was wondering whether you would notice that Taly's unvote implied that (which you did).
In short, it wasn't meant as a defense of Taly. It was a genuine question, as his unvote made no sense to me from a townorscum perspective.
2)What is bad about pointing out the POSSIBILITY of TvT? Honestly, out of the 7-8 games I've been in, only 1 or 2 is where someone (town) pointed out that a 1v1 could be town shitting on each other.
I mean, would you rather see me put a huge damn dichotomy and division of the people in this game and outright assert that Ice is scum as he had done to me? Or he should be lynched - so anyone can go off of his flip and flashlynch me next dayphase?
Tell me a time where pointing out someone, or an interaction is town - could be from a scum who wants to cause as much chaos as possible to get town against each other.
Does my - explained unvote - put ANY pressure off of you, because you got quite a few votes quickly and for varying reasons.
And now you're pushing that my unvote made no sense either alignment -
But you're pushing that as if I were scum.
Without even acknowledging the reasons as to why I unvoted?
In post 147, ICEninja wrote:
I'm very strongly scum reading Wickan right now. I'm quite happy with my vote. This is based on:
-A chain of logic that a townie would basically never have,
-His original vote of RC that wasn't explained until someone ELSE mentioned it (highly realistic scumpair of Wickan and Titus, probably even more likely than Taly),
-It's small, but he did seem to oppose early discussion with his first vote.