Open 614: Diffusion of Power (THE TOWN WINS!)

Varsoon · Post Post #725 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:45 am

I probably won't play this setup again; it's pretty much everything I can't stand about mafia. It's not just an issue of it being town-sided (imo). The power roles are only effective if the players get lucky with their shots, and in the case that they do, mafia just loses. The mechanics are almost entirely divorced from the rhetoric, and that really annoys me.

No amount of good (rhetorical) play can make up for cops and docs shooting right.

I still think a mass-claim on Day 1 (leaving out the day of activation, just 'cop' or 'doc') is the best way for town to win. It shifts the game into a mountainous setup with a pool of players guaranteed to have scum among them and town still has PR power.

Couple all that with Flow Alpha literally calling Kop and me his partners at every chance he got and it was a nightmare to play this. TN legit just stopped playing at one point, too. He felt like it was a lost cause after Texcat came out with the inno.

Varsoon · Post Post #726 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:46 am

If the Mafia PT gets released, you'll see that I actually pinned pretty much each cop.
Kop talked me out of killing Texcat, which also kinda lost us the game. :/

Varsoon · Post Post #727 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:48 am

All that said, well played by town.
You guys stuck to your guns and won for it.
It was fun to play with AJ again, and I feel like Tim Howard brought some pretty A+ towngame. While White Fire felt pretty sheepy of us, I also figured they were unpredictable and would be a gamble to take into lylo anyway.

tn5421 · Post Post #728 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:50 am

In post 724, Varsoon wrote:I deserve a scummy surviving any amount of time after that stunt Flow Alpha pulled.
Most players report and blacklist people who throw games that hard.

I certainly will be. Level 9999 annoyance. I debated with Varsoon about reporting him for throwing the game but he managed to talk me out of it. Good game town.

Varsoon · Post Post #729 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:53 am

Noobscum gonna noobscum.
Rather than being reported, the dude should own up to his mistakes, learn from his shame, and try to be a better player.
And probably play some more noob games.

Varsoon · Post Post #730 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:56 am

It's arguable that he was playing against his wincon; while most people would agree that he was, I feel like it could have just been the worst scum gambit of all time and that punishment should come in the form of letting Flow Alpha know that he was the major contributor to his team losing this game.

I'm not a huge fan of banning/rules-enforcing on fringe/play-based cases, I suppose. Just because a player sucks doesn't mean they should be kept from playing games and the game itself suspended. That player should be encouraged to step their game up and the game should go on.

tn5421 · Post Post #731 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:02 pm

Fair enough, but seriously, GG town.

Varsoon and I had a pizza party while discussing this game that's a win enough on it's own.

Tatsuya Kaname · Post Post #732 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:03 pm

(Busy here, so it's twilight.)
(And I'll take care of Flow Alpha's issue later.)

Varsoon · Post Post #733 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:11 pm

(I honestly think he should receive a warning and should be encouraged to train harder and learn from his mistakes)
(Also, yes, we had pizza and got to pow-wow about how to possibly win, it was good times. A lot of the excitement of this game came in seeing how far we could get despite everything else.)

Fro99er · Post Post #734 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:16 pm

GG guys.

The setup was meh. Not Tatsuya's fault, in just don't really like the game structure and he had to pick one to mod.

Thanks for modding Tatsuya!

Fro99er · Post Post #735 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:17 pm

In post 730, Varsoon wrote:punishment should come in the form of letting Flow Alpha know that he was the major contributor to his team losing this game.

Fro99er · Post Post #736 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 724, Varsoon wrote:I deserve a scummy surviving any amount of time after that stunt Flow Alpha pulled.
Most players report and blacklist people who throw games that hard.

I'm all aboard the ban flow alpha train

Fro99er · Post Post #737 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:20 pm

Also thought Varsoon/tn did very well to survive this long. Good game to you two and Kop.

Varsoon · Post Post #738 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:30 pm

Yeah; Tatsuya did a great job modding.
I made a bigger deal out of the daystart PM thing than it what it was. I was always following this game closely via the bookmark feature.

Firebringer · Post Post #739 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:51 pm

gg everyone. Very well played by varsoon/tn I really thought they were town today. I only lynched to get us out of the rut we were in.

I think I early scum read you guys though, don't know what made me change my mind.

Firebringer · Post Post #740 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:52 pm

In post 727, Varsoon wrote:While White Fire felt pretty sheepy of us, I also figured they were unpredictable and would be a gamble to take into lylo anyway.

This statement is very true, I can be very sheepy, but I am definitely unpredictable.

I have Shiro to keep me in line

tn5421 · Post Post #741 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:52 pm

Firebringer you need to respond to me on battle.net sometime so we can sc2mafia together more

Firebringer · Post Post #742 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:53 pm

In post 741, tn5421 wrote:Firebringer you need to respond to me on battle.net sometime so we can sc2mafia together more

I am getting on now, if you can play

Aj The Epic · Post Post #743 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:11 pm

Flow's throws weren't fully in light until Kop though.

I agree the setup was a bit broke if scum couldn't knock out cops fast enough. Pretty good effort to get all the way to one day before lylo (would've been lylo had the texcat lynch gone). Advice would largely be to the partners of Varsoon, panoception as a whole played that well. I think Flow wasn't really 'banworthy' since it was just bad play, not malicious. More a revision to the site that we don't have enough training before we throw them into the hot waters of actual games.

texcat · Post Post #744 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:37 pm

GG all. I really thought yall were going to lynch me!

Did the scum ever think about fake claiming cop?

texcat · Post Post #745 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:38 pm

Duh. Nevermind. I'm still just confused.

Varsoon · Post Post #746 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:11 pm

Honestly, faking cop early would have been a strong move. TH was right to doubt AJ's early cop claim and I was going to try to exploit that if I made it to LYLO.
I joked with TN that if we lynched Texcat, we should've killed AJ and just been like, "WELP!"

Aj The Epic · Post Post #747 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:31 pm

By simple resume though, I think I'd have ended up winning any 1v1. I felt comfortable that game.

Varsoon · Post Post #748 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:43 pm

For sure. I was wheeling and in a position of suspicion. There was no way I was winning lylo because I would have had to convince people of something; you'd only have to vote.

Fro99er · Post Post #749 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:42 pm

Tex just never felt scum to me. After we were Masons I feel like I have a pretty good read of her town game.

I didn't want to vote her, but I just wanted to get the game over with. I wasn't going to vote AJ ever so I figured the Tex/pano order didn't matter much.