Open 614: Diffusion of Power (THE TOWN WINS!)

Varsoon · Post Post #724 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:38 am

I deserve a scummy surviving any amount of time after that stunt Flow Alpha pulled.
Most players report and blacklist people who throw games that hard.

Varsoon · Post Post #725 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:45 am

I probably won't play this setup again; it's pretty much everything I can't stand about mafia. It's not just an issue of it being town-sided (imo). The power roles are only effective if the players get lucky with their shots, and in the case that they do, mafia just loses. The mechanics are almost entirely divorced from the rhetoric, and that really annoys me.

No amount of good (rhetorical) play can make up for cops and docs shooting right.

I still think a mass-claim on Day 1 (leaving out the day of activation, just 'cop' or 'doc') is the best way for town to win. It shifts the game into a mountainous setup with a pool of players guaranteed to have scum among them and town still has PR power.

Couple all that with Flow Alpha literally calling Kop and me his partners at every chance he got and it was a nightmare to play this. TN legit just stopped playing at one point, too. He felt like it was a lost cause after Texcat came out with the inno.

Varsoon · Post Post #726 (isolation #3) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:46 am

If the Mafia PT gets released, you'll see that I actually pinned pretty much each cop.
Kop talked me out of killing Texcat, which also kinda lost us the game. :/

Varsoon · Post Post #727 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:48 am

All that said, well played by town.
You guys stuck to your guns and won for it.
It was fun to play with AJ again, and I feel like Tim Howard brought some pretty A+ towngame. While White Fire felt pretty sheepy of us, I also figured they were unpredictable and would be a gamble to take into lylo anyway.

Varsoon · Post Post #729 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:53 am

Noobscum gonna noobscum.
Rather than being reported, the dude should own up to his mistakes, learn from his shame, and try to be a better player.
And probably play some more noob games.

Varsoon · Post Post #730 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:56 am

It's arguable that he was playing against his wincon; while most people would agree that he was, I feel like it could have just been the worst scum gambit of all time and that punishment should come in the form of letting Flow Alpha know that he was the major contributor to his team losing this game.

I'm not a huge fan of banning/rules-enforcing on fringe/play-based cases, I suppose. Just because a player sucks doesn't mean they should be kept from playing games and the game itself suspended. That player should be encouraged to step their game up and the game should go on.

Varsoon · Post Post #733 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:11 pm

(I honestly think he should receive a warning and should be encouraged to train harder and learn from his mistakes)
(Also, yes, we had pizza and got to pow-wow about how to possibly win, it was good times. A lot of the excitement of this game came in seeing how far we could get despite everything else.)

Varsoon · Post Post #738 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:30 pm

Yeah; Tatsuya did a great job modding.
I made a bigger deal out of the daystart PM thing than it what it was. I was always following this game closely via the bookmark feature.

Varsoon · Post Post #746 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:11 pm

Honestly, faking cop early would have been a strong move. TH was right to doubt AJ's early cop claim and I was going to try to exploit that if I made it to LYLO.
I joked with TN that if we lynched Texcat, we should've killed AJ and just been like, "WELP!"

Varsoon · Post Post #748 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:43 pm

For sure. I was wheeling and in a position of suspicion. There was no way I was winning lylo because I would have had to convince people of something; you'd only have to vote.

Varsoon · Post Post #756 (isolation #11) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:49 pm

Yeah, I figured you were likely to oppose us and to be a cop; that's why we went with your kill on N1. :3

Varsoon · Post Post #758 (isolation #12) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:10 pm

Painful that we killed two cops in a row and still ended up trounced.

Varsoon · Post Post #760 (isolation #13) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:19 pm

I would've claimed to be an N1 cop in that case, tbh.

Varsoon · Post Post #762 (isolation #14) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:30 pm

Well, that's the one redeeming thing about this setup; you can have duplicate days.
Scum is given full reign on their fake-claims.
That's why I suggested the mass-claim D1 is probably the best possible way to play the setup in town's favor.

Varsoon · Post Post #764 (isolation #15) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:42 pm

Euch. Didn't know Flow Alpha had a track record of playing like that as scum.

Step it up, man.

Varsoon · Post Post #767 (isolation #16) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:01 am

You were a solid partner, Kop.
Don't get too down our yourself.
I think we both played well enough.