In post 407, Wickan wrote: In post 312, talah wrote:
Dunno, I don't really like it. Also goes back to ABR's comment (somewhat surprisingly) that scum with daytalk would tend to be more talkative rather than less (whether I strictly agree with that or not ehhhhh).
I know you haven't mentioned this since you switched your vote over, but is this part of your scumread on Albert, or is it almost entirely due to the lurking (or something else)?
I hadn't really thought about that particular comment in terms of ABR's motivation to post it, but it was a leading question to Taly which I immediately knew the implication of anyway.
(That being that scum with daytalk available to them would tend to be more active in-thread. So in effect he was disputing Taly's take on scum being more likely to lurk having daytalk. However that's not necessarily the case I don't think and it depends on the scumteam. There can be really unmotivated scum who don't talk much in their thread despite having the facility to do so.)
Here are the quotes:
In post 154, Albert B. Rampage wrote: In post 87, Taly wrote:I actually think if ABR is purposely lurking it could be a scum-tell... You know... given that the mod confirmed on the first post that mafia did have 72 hours of daytalk.
I doubt the most active people in this game are scum.
What's the theory behind this?
And actually thinking about it he's done this a couple of times then - saying something which doesn't really have a point immediately but rather requires a response from the other player to an obvious implication. (ie - "I have an opinion on this but it's not really stated and when you respond, I can make the actual point so it gives me something to refer to next time I post if I need it".) Also a possible stalling tactic.
So yeah that could be another indication he's scum but I hadn't really thought about it. I mainly wanted more game-related content from him since lurking is a totally valid strategy, and I can't get a read (aside from might be scum) with what he's provided so far.
He played a bit differently as scum in
TSMD Mafia but he was picked really quickly by a combination of Molla / ika and Syryana I think, and when he had attention on him he got really awkwardly jokey (which I'm also seeing here) - so he may be trying not to be so serious this game and see if that works.
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I don't really have time right now (it's getting toward 6.30am Friday and I gotta go to work), but I can give you my mental notes.
Firstly I didn't really like his pushes on Wickan and Taly. And I must say I didn't read in depth much of the wallks they'd posted but I felt that Taly was pretty much obvtowning from what I remember of his play.
(note to self I need to check out Taly's 3rd party play)
However, I can perhaps see that as legitimate attempts to sort Taly since he doesn't have to have the same read as me and obviously won't have the same reasons.
Secondly I didn't like how he switched back on me with an argument like "well maybe you really WERE after a speedlynch". I felt it was not thought through and didn't match any of the evidence in the thread, and could have been just a maneuvre to open up another line of suspicion since Frozen was obviously not gaining any support.
I believe he responded to that though, saying he is going to be constantly checking his reads - which is fine and townish enough. It was the lack of thought in the supposition that irked me, though.
Aside from that I have (or had) a general feeling that his reads aren't really becoming clarified. Look I understand that especially as a game goes on sometimes reads *don't* get easier, especially because you're only going to be right in a certain amount of cases, but Day 1 I think optimal lynches should be considered and I don't think your lynch-pool would be getting greyer and greyer. Anyway that point there is mainly feeling. I actually like his most recent post and that's after I'd been doing some reflection on whether his posting was actually coming from a more town perspective. I'm prepared to start thinking about consensus/compromise at this stage.
Sorry that's a bit all over the place but I need to get ready for work and I woke up at like 1am and couldn't get back to sleep O.o
Happy to have your feedback.
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