Open 616: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[Titus]

That exactly what I'm not saying. I'm saying leave that as a null read and atop mentioning it. I'm not asking to be town-read. I'm asking to not be shittly scum-read.

So you're implying there's a good reason to scumread you. :-p

[DiamondSentinel]

So you're admitting there's not one.

[Titus]

So you're admitting there's not one.

Flail more. We laid it out already.

[SnarkySnowman]

Popping in quickly, still trying to be really

I'm getting the feeling that Diamond is town and flailing pretty hard because everyone is just kinda on him for not a whole lot. I don't like itlepip on this one.

Also VOTE: Not_mafia
Not quite satisfied with NM lynch yet but I think my vote belongs here for now. I think, mainly, he needs to talk a lot more.

[DiamondSentinel]

Y'know what, Titus, you've got 3 people on me. Hammer is 6. I'll deal with my scum reads and you have fun with me. In the meantime, I suggest you find someone who more people are scum reading to pursue.

[itlepip]

Y'know what, Titus, you've got 3 people on me. Hammer is 6. I'll deal with my scum reads and you have fun with me. In the meantime, I suggest you find someone who more people are scum reading to pursue.

Snarky how is this town!!! I'm almost at 1v1 certainty that Diamond is mafia, his reactions go from being really defensive to flippant about me and Titus's push as soon as he sees that being defensive doesn't work. Again, unless you Also NM I think is getting replaced once the mod shows up so that wagon isn't going anywhere fast.

[SnarkySnowman]

It's certainly cringeworthy, but I think on the whole his play reads town to me. I'm not saying he's 100% confirmed town but it feels town and not scum to me. I don't feel good about it but I don't feel it's scum.

[Titus]

Why does it "feel town"?

[Sharky5x]

It's like Diamond is trying to get himself killed

I'm getting the feeling that Diamond is town and flailing pretty hard because everyone is just kinda on him for not a whole lot. I don't like itlepip on this one.

Also VOTE: Not_mafia
Not quite satisfied with NM lynch yet but I think my vote belongs here for now. I think, mainly, he needs to talk a lot more.

I'm good w/ this. I'm split between Diamond and itlepip being TvT or itlepip just going for an easy mislynch. Also if itlepip is scum, he could possibly think Diamond is on the other faction, making this even more difficult to read.

[DiamondSentinel]

You see, I'm a secret role that host added.

It's called vengeful supercop. If I get lynched, I reveal all the mafia.

[itlepip]

why don't you just claim jester?

@Sharky My point is that I am pretty sure that Diamond won't be NKed outside of a doctor claim. For me there is nothing Diamond can do from here on out to make himself look any scummier, so except in the very unlikely circumstance that he makes an actual defense for himself, not lynching Diamond here means to me that town is fine with Diamond endgaming or expect him to miraculously not be reading nearly half of the players in the game as scum simultaneously. The other lynch, NM, is someone that is again being replaced here and I don't think anyone can read NM at all since he doesn't post. So people would rather lynch a random slot then kill someone who only makes scummy posts. GAHHHH [/rant]

Also when diamond flips scum (if fire) Sharky is looking really good after that last post for being a scum buddy.

[DiamondSentinel]

Hahahahaha! Oh that's rich.

If you don't think that I'm a detriment to the town right now, then leave me for later, and what do you know? I might end up useful.

[Titus]

You see, I'm a secret role that host added.

It's called vengeful supercop. If I get lynched, I reveal all the mafia.

All aboard. Lynching Diamond is really pro town. :-p

[Titus]

why don't you just claim jester?

@Sharky My point is that I am pretty sure that Diamond won't be NKed outside of a doctor claim. For me there is nothing Diamond can do from here on out to make himself look any scummier, so except in the very unlikely circumstance that he makes an actual defense for himself, not lynching Diamond here means to me that town is fine with Diamond endgaming or expect him to miraculously not be reading nearly half of the players in the game as scum simultaneously. The other lynch, NM, is someone that is again being replaced here and I don't think anyone can read NM at all since he doesn't post. So people would rather lynch a random slot then kill someone who only makes scummy posts. GAHHHH [/rant]

Also when diamond flips scum (if fire) Sharky is looking really good after that last post for being a scum buddy.

It's been obvious to me for awhile, back when I said Hello fire.

[lilith2013]

Hahahahaha! Oh that's rich.

If you don't think that I'm a detriment to the town right now, then leave me for later, and what do you know? I might end up useful.

The point is that you

are

being a detriment to town. You're not making contributions and you're not trying to scumhunt, you're just like "oh yeah it's NM and MOHIS" but you didn't offer any reasons why or attempt to show evidence towards that. You're not asking questions, you're not trying to analyze anything, you're not looking for scum motives, you're just sitting there telling us you're not scum. If you're town, you can be useful today just as much as you can be useful any other time this game. If you're not useful now I really doubt you'll "end up being useful" later in the game either. You said you can analyze wagons

so do that

. Or was that a lie to get us off your back D1?

I'm just assuming that itlepup is playing Katsuki-town. I'm seeing a lot of similarities between the 2 in the games that I've played with Katsuki.

That's the only thing keeping you alive, kid. You're acting scum as all-be, but so does Katsuki. So you are surviving on that alone.

Also, how does someone being scummy in a way that was similar to someone else being scummy not equal the first person still being scummy? The two people have no relation to each other??? Like something that is scummy that one person happens to do while town, is not a towntell for other people! It's still scummy!

More to the point of this game, can you explain what about itlepip was scummy?

[DiamondSentinel]

Let's see.

First question. I have reasons why NM and MOHIS are both scum reads. NM was on both wagons, and MOHIS was the hammer on the town wagon. I personally think that hammering votes will be the key to finding scum, as there are 2 scum factions about. As for analysing wagons, that's what I've been doing. You've given me 2 wagons, so I've looked at them and got 2 scum reads off of them. Once I'm on my PC, I'll look at the timing of the votes, but for now, that information will do.

Second question. Itlepup and Katsuki was not town tell or anything of the sort. It's just that itlepup is exhibiting some key characteristics Katsuki exhibited in both games I was in with him, and he was town. These include: very strong (as in forced) opinions that are sometimes backed up, sometimes not), low tolerance for sheeping, and a very confrontational attitude, way past the extent of scuminess. Point is, I just see itlepup and Katsuki as similar to me. We don't fit in with the "town meta" and as such, often wind up in trouble during town games (and I suspect scum games, but I've yet to see one of us 3 in one unless itle is this one)

[DiamondSentinel]

Itlepup and Katsuki both seem like very "unlikable" (not in a bad way, just in a meh way) when they play town. Look at the endgame of Guild of Dungeoneering, because it's easier to see it than for me to explaining because, quite frankly, I suck at explaining. This isn't me using meta to defend myself. It's more just using meta connections to explain a read that seems backwards.

[DiamondSentinel]

God, that sounded like a dick thing to say. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it like that. I meant it in a way that gets people to argue with you over your reads or play style or anything else of the sort.

[Randomnamechange]

Your MOHIS scumread is so stupid. We had 6 hours left. Someoe needed to hammer otherwise we wouldn't have a lynch.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: diamondsentinel

[The_Jester]

Sorry, real life issues totally deprived me of any desire to play lately. I don't wanna replace out so I'm gonna catch up and post soon.

[Armageddon]

Vote count Day 2.2

Players alive: 11

Players needed to lynch: 6

DiamondSentinel

- 3 - itlepip, Titus, randomidget - (L-3)

Not_Mafia

- 3 - My Other Head Is Scum, DiamondSentinel, SnarkySnowman - (L-3)

randomidget

- 3 - lilith2013, Sharky5x, Not_Mafia - (L-3)

Players not voting: The_Jester, Wanderer-nl

Mod notes:
Not_Mafia has been prodded (As this is his third prod I will begin looking for a replacement immediately)

Deadline for Day Two: (expired on 2015-12-14 17:07:00)

[DiamondSentinel]

Your MOHIS scumread is so stupid. We had 6 hours left. Someoe needed to hammer otherwise we wouldn't have a lynch.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: diamondsentinel

How did that make it any different? Most of the time, D1 lynches are done near deadline. There isn't much reason to hammer halfway through the day phase.

Use you brain. I'm doing what I said I would, and you're bitching about it. Maybe you should find a new player to accost.

[Not_Mafia]

Hi Titus!

VOTE: Not_Mafia

The fact he still hasn't done anything.
Normally he adds a troll here or there as town (what I've seen anyway).

The random wagon is bad.

I'm not sure what the scum head of mine means with 604. I can see Diamond as NM partner, not much going on between them apart from NM defending him.
However, Diamonds comment isn't an alignment tell neither is it beneficial. He might as well just have said, well ASP died.
I'll get more into this game tomorrow but I'm going to bed now.

-Vedith

1. Why is the random wagon bad?

2.Opinion of Sharky?

The wagon on me is bad because this is my normal playstyle. Note that none of the players except ASP who had played with me before scumread me.

I think we should lynch nm if town can't come to a consensus.

this post felt really scum

[Randomnamechange]

Your MOHIS scumread is so stupid. We had 6 hours left. Someoe needed to hammer otherwise we wouldn't have a lynch.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: diamondsentinel

How did that make it any different? Most of the time, D1 lynches are done near deadline. There isn't much reason to hammer halfway through the day phase.

Use you brain. I'm doing what I said I would, and you're bitching about it. Maybe you should find a new player to accost.

Scum aren't as likely to hammer because it draws attention to them. Generally scum will be around position 3/4

[Not_Mafia]

Your MOHIS scumread is so stupid. We had 6 hours left. Someoe needed to hammer otherwise we wouldn't have a lynch.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: diamondsentinel

How did that make it any different? Most of the time, D1 lynches are done near deadline. There isn't much reason to hammer halfway through the day phase.

Use you brain. I'm doing what I said I would, and you're bitching about it. Maybe you should find a new player to accost.

Scum aren't as likely to hammer because it draws attention to them. Generally scum will be around position 3/4

DiamondSentinel

- 3 - itlepip, Titus, randomidget - (L-3)