Micro 551 — Vanilla-Free Greatest Idea Mafia — Game Over!

[Vedith]

On later. Weather knocked out my internet last night...

[Soren]

ETL why are you against no lynch?

[Marquis]

DAY 2. VOTECOUNT 09.

(1)

Hinduragi

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Lucky2u

(0)

Chaotic Neutrality

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(0)

Soren

—

(0)

Vedith

—

(0)

EspeciallyTheLies

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(1)

Lucky2u

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EspeciallyTheLies

(3)

No Lynch

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Chaotic Neutrality, Hinduragi, Soren

(L-1)

(1)

Not Voting

—

Vedith

With

6 alive

, it takes

4 votes

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2015-12-12 21:30:00)

(Sat Dec 12 @ 9:30:00 PM EST).

NOTES.

NOTE: DO NOT FEED CHOCOLATE TO DOGS

[EspeciallyTheLies]

ETL why are you against no lynch?

because it doesn't help us any. it just continues the stagnation of the game. it's not a step forward. the only reason i would support a no lynch is if we are guaranteed additional information based on night actions and know the number of scum in the game to where a no lynch puts things in our favor. i dont see the benefits in this situation.

[Hinduragi]

His 474 is the only thing I see that's relevant to the townread. There's no need to be snappy and assume I didn't read because I did. I just felt there would be more than that post to base it off of. It was very quick to come up with a townread.

A NL can give us information. Not sure why you feel it wouldn't.

[Soren]

ETL why are you against no lynch?

because it doesn't help us any. it just continues the stagnation of the game. it's not a step forward. the only reason i would support a no lynch is if we are guaranteed additional information based on night actions and know the number of scum in the game to where a no lynch puts things in our favor. i dont see the benefits in this situation.

No lynch before a mylo is good because it helps narrow downs our list of scumpects. Assuming there is a night kill and/or power roles gain information in the night.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

No lynch before a mylo is good because it helps narrow downs our list of scumpects.

How does it narrow anything down?

[Hinduragi]

Before this comes up, I'm not interested in explaining why. I would rather everyone go into a NL behaving without the knowledge of the rest of the town as to what may and may not give up information.

[Hinduragi]

Oh god why are we explaining this

[Hinduragi]

Just THINK about possible situations ETL, it shouldn't have to be explained

[EspeciallyTheLies]

power roles gain information in the night.

And we've gotten no useful results from last night, most everyone has claimed in some fashion. What makes you think it will be any better tomorrow?

You're not thinking about the game logically. You're acting out of fear.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Hindu, I'm not an idiot, so please don't speak me like I am. No one asked you anything about anything. I asked Soren to explain why he wants a NL because I don't and I think it's stupid.

Don't answer unless your name is Soren.

[Hinduragi]

Jesus Christ, it helps, just trust me

Pedit: I'm not treating you like you're dumb, I don't want this info in the open where it influences scum behavior tonight.

[Hinduragi]

I'm not even answering the question of why it would help. I'm saying it shouldn't be answered

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Whatever. I don't care anymore.

[Hinduragi]

ETL is town. No way that's sleeper. If it is, she gets to win this game for all I care.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

His 474 is the only thing I see that's relevant to the townread. There's no need to be snappy and assume I didn't read because I did. I just felt there would be more than that post to base it off of. It was very quick to come up with a townread.

i was townreading him for most of the game except for a brief bit at the start of his interaction with you, which prompted me to think i might be wrong, and then i voted him. he then responded to you and i decided i was right in the first place and unvoted.

it's really not that "quick" when you consider the entirety of the game. i dont know why you would feel there'd be "more" unless you're looking at the situation in a vacuum, which would be ridiculous.

[Hinduragi]

I will tell you I'm NL'ing just to check my bases before we wrap this thing up and win it. I'm fairly sure scum are screwed and they know as such.

Pedit: it just seemed really fast and I felt pretty paranoid about you so I wanted to clear it up

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Are we cleared up now?

[Hinduragi]

Pretty much yeah. I feel really good about this game.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

It's fine. It's not what I would do, but I gave my thoughts on the matter. If that's what everyone wants to do then whatever. It's out of my hands. I used my role already so it's not like I really have a stake in it, and NL doesn't harm anything besides being boring and not giving me any new information.

[Hinduragi]

That's fine. I haven't claimed but my role is more than meets the eye so I'm fairly sure we can get some info from it.

[Soren]

No lynch before a mylo is good because it helps narrow downs our list of scumpects.

How does it narrow anything down?

power roles gain information in the night.

And we've gotten no useful results from last night, most everyone has claimed in some fashion. What makes you think it will be any better tomorrow?

You're not thinking about the game logically. You're acting out of fear.

Hindu, I'm not an idiot, so please don't speak me like I am. No one asked you anything about anything. I asked Soren to explain why he wants a NL because I don't and I think it's stupid.

Don't answer unless your name is Soren.

Oh boy, looks like I actually need to explain this. You're right we didn't get anything useful last night and it's not something to be relied upon, but it is something that can happen. We did at the very least learn that Chaotic is not mafia.

Consider the following:
4 players
3 town 1 mafias
Let's assume that town has no idea who is mafia in this scenario. If they lynch wrong they would lose. They have a 1 in 3 chance in lynching mafia. However, if they no lynch and mafia kills in the night, this narrows down who mafia could be. Leaving 2 town and 1 mafia. Now town has 1 in 2 chance of lynching a mafia. They have better odds.

Similarly, no lynching will yield us a similar situation in this game. Vedith laid out the scenario rather well in his 474. If there is a scum team of two, and we lynch wrong today we will lose. There are other scenarios such as one scum left or two scum in different factions, the former more likely than the latter since there was no night kill. I'm going to assume that there is an alien faction in the game holding off their kill, I don't know if it's one or two scum left in that. If it's one, then we won't lose if we lynch wrong. But the risk is if there is two scum left, we would lose if we lynch wrong.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: No lynch

Stalled game is Stalled.

[Lucky2u]

There's something comforting knowing that I won't die tonight.