Micro 553: ETL's Double Day Unlimited (Game Over)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT 1.2.13

ConManMick

(3): Papa Zito, ProHawk, TellTaleHeart

RadiantCowbells

(3): Antihero, Rob13, RadiantCowbells

ProHawk

(2): ConManMick, Rob13

Papa Zito

(2): WickedestJr, ProHawk

WickedestJr

(2): TellTaleHeart, RadiantCowbells

TellTaleHeart

(1): RadiantCowbells

Rob13

(0):

Antihero

(0):

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, and 4 to no lynch.

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Deadline:

December 8, 2015 at 10:45 pm EST, or in (expired on 2015-12-08 00:08:45).

Mod notes:

None for now.

[Wickedestjr]

RC, "I don't like the way people are moving around it" is a vague/ridiculous reason to un-vote someone, especially in an unlimited voting game like this. Very convenient how your best vote is the one you get rid of. I was town reading you, but this feels a little bit like an RC/PZ team.

No alternative option you want to push with seven hours left? No reasons for any of your reads?

If you don't care anymore, what does self-voting accomplish that a replace out request doesn't? Why not just replace out?

If you're town that can't give this game the attention it needs, you think pushing a known mis-lynch is the best solution to that problem?

With your self-vote, you are becoming a considerable liability to whichever side you're on, more-so than you would be if you just replaced out right now (or two weeks ago for that matter). If you're town, then your self-vote is a slap in the face to everyone, but most/all of us have treated you fairly this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

They voted me first. I'm just returning the favour.

[ConManMick]

VOTE: RC
L-1

I'm going to bed

[Wickedestjr]

They voted me first. I'm just returning the favour.

Oh okay, I didn't realize that's how this game worked.

If you don't care about this game anymore, then why did you un-vote Papa Zito?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, there's 3 people discussing lynching Papa Zito.

I am voting 2 of them and have been gradually warming to a lynch on the third.

I don't think it's at all out of the ordinary for me to get cold feet about that lynch under those conditions.

Plus, Antihero is not known for having decent reads, so.

You're not going to mention anything about CMM's vote being opportunistic as fucking shit?

VOTE: unvote

[Wickedestjr]

Like, there's 3 people discussing lynching Papa Zito.

I am voting 2 of them and have been gradually warming to a lynch on the third.

I don't think it's at all out of the ordinary for me to get cold feet about that lynch under those conditions.

When your scum pool contains half the players in the game, and only one of those reads is an unpopular choice, it shouldn't be shocking that your scum reads are going to attack each other. Worth noting: TTH and Papa Zito are not voting for each other. Furthermore, I'm sure you don't have a 100% perfect track record for catching scum teams on day 1, so you shouldn't avoid voting Papa Zito just because of associative evidence...

You're not going to mention anything about CMM's vote being opportunistic as fucking shit?

It doesn't really bother me that much. I don't know what to say about his vote... Do

you

think he's scummy for it?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

VOTE: unvote

This means nothing.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, I think he's scummy as fuck for it.

I don't like how he ignored me when I had le towncred and then as soon as public opinion shifted he started to push on me.

I also don't like the associatives between the two of you and I think the scumteam could easily be CMM/youreslf here.

UNVOTE: RadiantBellCows

[Wickedestjr]

EBWOP: I almost put you at L-1 too. So I can see where ConMan's coming from when he's going to sleep and knows he'll have no more power over who gets lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, town do often opportunistically vote people to avoid getting lynched themselves.

The specific way that CMM did it there, not something I like at all.

What's your read on me?

[Wickedestjr]

I also don't like the associatives between the two of you and I think the scumteam could easily be CMM/youreslf here.

You say that, but literally two days ago you said:

I like Rob for town as well.

My major scumpile right now is Papa/TTH/MAYBE Prohawk

which shows a completely different scum pool. That tells me that your reads aren't very strong in this game, because that's 5/7 players that you are suspecting. Given this lack of confidence, why is it a problem that Papa Zito is getting votes from two of the other players that you find suspicious?

What's bad about our (CMM and I) associatives?

Yes, town do often opportunistically vote people to avoid getting lynched themselves.

The specific way that CMM did it there, not something I like at all.

What should he have done differently? Not go to sleep?

What's your read on me?

You were my strongest town read yesterday. But your exit off the PZ bandwagon bothers me. I'm neutral on you right now, that's why I'm asking you so many questions.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's reasonable I guess.

No, I just feel like if he was town he would have said it somehow differently.

which shows a completely different scum pool. That tells me that your reads aren't very strong in this game, because that's 5/7 players that you are suspecting. Given this lack of confidence, why is it a problem that Papa Zito is getting votes from two of the other players that you find suspicious?

I had forgotten about you.

I mean I guess, I'm definitely scumreading a ton of people, but my reads aren't overly strong right now.

With that being the case, I don't want to be the person who creates a new wagon right before the end of the day, particularly when I'm already not necessarily townreading either of the primary wagons.

[Wickedestjr]

Meanwhile Papa Zito has logged on, but is not posting at the most critical point in the game. He hasn't posted once since I made my point against him. His vote on the ConMan wagon is awful.

With that being the case, I don't want to be the person who creates a new wagon right before the end of the day, particularly when I'm already not necessarily townreading either of the primary wagons.

So did you un-vote PZ because you suspect the people voting him? Or did you un-vote because you suspect his counter wagons? Because you've said both, but they don't really overlap at all.

Do you see my problem with all this?

You must have had a reason for voting him earlier. And he surely hasn't done anything to make you change your mind, he hasn't posted since you voted him. I think you should vote for him again...

[Wickedestjr]

Why did you decide to un-vote yourself?

[RadiantCowbells]

TTH is scummy as shit and mentioned liking the vote.
CMM wasn't one of my major scumreads but I abhor the way he voted him.
You are (were? I like you over the last few pages) one of my major scumreads and are voting him.

Papa Zito has done nothing to make me lose a scumread, correct, but I get a bad feeling about the way people are moving around it and a scum flip from several others could make Papa basically confirmed town.

I don't want to lynch him today.

[quote]Why did you decide to un-vote yourself?/quote]

I'm not feeling quite as salty right now as I was at the time.

[Wickedestjr]

Ok well what was it exactly that you disliked about the movement around it?

Have you ever exhibited behavior like this before as town? (e.g. Replaced out then changed your mind, self voted then un-voted, etc.)

[RadiantCowbells]

Self voted then un-voted, yes. Self hammered, yes. Including once as doc.

I've replaced out of one game before, ever, and that was because there was serious drama between one of the players and myself.

Then again, I've never been in similar circumstances IRL.

[Wickedestjr]

Ok well what was it exactly that you disliked about the movement around it?

[RadiantCowbells]

The fact that the only people who supported it were scumreads of mine?

And that a few of them struck (specifically CMM) struck me as him just wanting to push the wagon away from him.

[ProHawk]

KILL CONMAN!!!

[Wickedestjr]

The fact that the only people who supported it were scumreads of mine?

And that a few of them struck (specifically CMM) struck me as him just wanting to push the wagon away from him.

Given that you still think these are good points, I don't think there's anything else I can say to convince you that you're wrong - even though I'm starting to think you're town again...


Have you ever self-voted then un-voted as scum before? Have you ever replaced out then changed your mind as scum?

[Wickedestjr]

Mod: I un-voted Antihero.

~Fixed - ETL~

I'm going to vote for ConMan or ProHawk soon, not sure who yet - they're pretty close. I will do some rereading...

[Papa Zito]

I am super sick.

Will read up and post tonight

[EspeciallyTheLies]

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