Micro 550: 2 Scoops of the Fourth Degree (Game Over)

[Cheery Dog]

Not_Mafia,

Town Cop

, has been lynched Day 3.

The

scum team

of TheDominator37 and OceanWind win the game!

[Cheery Dog]

I'll update the rest of the details once I get on the computer and reveal the scum topic if the scum team give permission for it to be revealed.

[KTthecreeper]

...

[KTthecreeper]

Everytime I get into MYLO I either overthink it or underthink it

[KTthecreeper]

The fact that Dom completely Fliped his meta demoralizes me

[Fro99er]

Town deserved to lose.

That D2 was piss poor.

[Fro99er]

Should have stuck w my gut on OW.

[KTthecreeper]

Should have stuck w my gut on OW.

same with Dom ;-;

[Fro99er]

KT you need to question and prod and pry more.

Your quick votes D2 and D3 doomed us. Allowed scum to quickhammer both days.

[Fro99er]

I had it down to OW and either KT or Dom. Thought KT tho.

[KTthecreeper]

I had it down to OW and either KT or Dom. Thought KT tho.

Honestly if not mafia tried at all it would of been alot diffrent

[TheDominator37]

The fact that Dom completely Fliped his meta demoralizes me

I have no meta

[KTthecreeper]

The fact that Dom completely Fliped his meta demoralizes me

I have no meta

Unfortunely thats true ;-;

[OceanWind]

Yeah, this was rather easy. I think D1 was a bit challenging in that Dom was getting wagoned and I had to figure out a way around that and find out how to play my hand. Once Kaboose quickhammered, we pretty much got a free mislynch and in a Micro, that was a big deal because one of our three mislynches was handed to us. The D1 lynch is always going to be easy for scum because that's the day with the lowest information. As for D3, it was a simple matter of exploiting the fact that Not_Mafia never bothered to play the game.

A Simple Plan was doing really well. I'll have to disappoint you about the "slip" though. It wasn't an actual slip, more me doing something pro-town because I believed it would get me town-cred. But you played very well overall, had a lot of thoughtful analysis and slowed down the pace of the game and asked questions when really all we wanted was to quickly hammer people and race to the endgame.

Froggaphant - your gut was right on 1/2 scum and you were clearly town but I think it would have helped had you been more active and engaged.

Ultimately, it came down to too many of the town players not really investing themselves in the game.

I'll update the rest of the details once I get on the computer and reveal the scum topic if the scum team give permission for it to be revealed.

No problem. Can we see the dead PT? And thanks for modding.

[Ether]

The thing with All Alone wasn't pro-town, exactly. Scum, ideally, want to mislynch whoever's vulnerable, but having townreads gives them credibility. Having a townread on a power role is a good idea because it's not like the power role is getting lynched anyway, so if ASP hadn't called you out, there wouldn't have been any downside. But if you're town, the best thing you can do if you spot a power role tell is to quietly slip away from that wagon and try not to draw attention to it, if possible. Sometimes you can't really do that subtly, but those are two different motivations.

The Kaboose wagon was so bad that even I was cringing, and I didn't have a win condition. Scum played to their audience, though, I'll give them that.

[Cheery Dog]

Setup rolled Jailkeeper + Cop

Role distribution. (numbers are what the 1d100 gave me)

All Alone (2) Town Jailkeeper
Not_Mafia (4) Town Cop
Froggerphant (13) Vanilla Townie
Huntress (15) Vanilla Townie
A Simple Plan (17) Vanilla Townie
KCthecreeper (20) Vanilla Townie
Kaboose (28) Vanilla Townie
OceanWind (80) Mafia Rolecop
TheDominator37 (84) Mafia Goon

Actions:
Night 1
All Alone jailed A Simple Plan
OceanWind rolecopped Kaboose
Not_Mafia investigated All Alone
TheDominator37 killed All Alone

Night 2
OceanWind rolecopped A Simple Plan
Not_Mafia investigated OceanWind
OceanWind killed Frogganaut.

Dead Thread]
Mafia Thread

[TheDominator37]

The thing with All Alone wasn't pro-town, exactly. Scum, ideally, want to mislynch whoever's vulnerable, but having townreads gives them credibility. Having a townread on a power role is a good idea because it's not like the power role is getting lynched anyway, so if ASP hadn't called you out, there wouldn't have been any downside. But if you're town, the best thing you can do if you spot a power role tell is to quietly slip away from that wagon and try not to draw attention to it, if possible. Sometimes you can't really do that subtly, but those are two different motivations.

The Kaboose wagon was so bad that even I was cringing, and I didn't have a win condition. Scum played to their audience, though, I'll give them that.

Did something I don't even know how to do! Score!

[A Simple Plan]

I swear... Gosh dammit... Ocean, I swear dude, you are one lucky sob, because I definitely didn't see those as "crumbs" so much as stating a townread. My vote would've been on you with NM. 337 would definitely be my thinking. I'd have believed you more if you said you investigated me, but after D2 when I called you out, you couldn't have done that due to your "you're scaring me" response. In all honesty, I'd have been more likely to swing a NM vote if you'd killed KT instead, because it would make me rethink most of my reads and question not only my uncertainty with NM, but probably left me completely uncertain about anyone, Frog included.

GG.

[OceanWind]

The thing with All Alone wasn't pro-town, exactly. Scum, ideally, want to mislynch whoever's vulnerable, but having townreads gives them credibility. Having a townread on a power role is a good idea because it's not like the power role is getting lynched anyway, so if ASP hadn't called you out, there wouldn't have been any downside. But if you're town, the best thing you can do if you spot a power role tell is to quietly slip away from that wagon and try not to draw attention to it, if possible. Sometimes you can't really do that subtly, but those are two different motivations.

Good to know. Typically as mafia, I do things that either a) advance my wincon or b) I think I would have done as town. I felt this was the latter but I don't know if All Alone would have been killed if I hadn't caught the crumb. Perhaps with a different playerlist, I wouldn't have been the only one besides Huntress to catch it. It definitely did point to me once All Alone was killed but I was hoping for the wifom of "why would I point out who I was nightkilling?" which didn't work here.

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You are right in that we played to the playerlist. If you had replaced in for instance, I'm sure you'd have known right away that I was mafia. I actually did read a couple of All Alone's games. There was a mafia PT where Plotinus pointed out that they lynched All Alone after All Alone had called the scumteam and that there was another game where All Alone was a roleblocker and called out the scumteam there too. Here though, it was mostly because we thought All Alone was a PR.

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I swear... Gosh dammit... Ocean, I swear dude, you are one lucky sob, because I definitely didn't see those as "crumbs" so much as stating a townread. My vote would've been on you with NM. 337 would definitely be my thinking. I'd have believed you more if you said you investigated me, but after D2 when I called you out, you couldn't have done that due to your "you're scaring me" response. In all honesty, I'd have been more likely to swing a NM vote if you'd killed KT instead, because it would make me rethink most of my reads and question not only my uncertainty with NM, but probably left me completely uncertain about anyone, Frog included.

GG.

Yeah, I knew I'd be your top suspicion. I was actually hoping to convince you otherwise through good LYLO play. I had a case on Not_Mafia thought up but KT voted before this could turn into a full blown lylo match.

[OceanWind]

Not_Mafia being a cop and not claiming worked in the mafia's favor. I instantly knew he was a cop through his vote on me despite not rolecopping him so was able to claim first, and he would have looked bad if he said "no, I'M the cop and I'm the one with a guilty on you."

This setup favored town though. Cop + JK vs Goon + Rolecop. If we hadn't killed All Alone N1, that would have added an extra element into the game. Glad it is discontinued now.

[Ether]

I actually didn't have a read on you (or anyone) on Day 1, and thought you felt genuinely antsy around the deadline. I don't think I'd have figured it out early through playing, either, but that's hard to say. By early Day 2, though, you'd stopped even trying to toe the line and it was pretty clear.

The balance might not be so bad. Here's the most recent data on 2of4 I could find, and while the sample size is small, daytalk does seem to be giving scum a strong advantage in recent newbie games. So aside from the doctor/vanilla subsetup, I'm not convinced this was townsided. Balance is hard.

Did you know that in the F11 subsetup with a cop against two goons, the town only won about 35% of the time, but in the Matrix6 cop/goon/goon subsetup, that's jumped to 51%? Seriously, mafia balance makes no goddamn sense.

[Ether]

So aside from the doctor/vanilla subsetup, I'm not convinced this was townsided.

Er.

You know what I meant.

[Not_Mafia]

GG scum, thanks Cherry for hosting

I can't recall time where I had to spell out I was cop, I thought it was obvious, and thought KT was faking not realising I was claiming a guilty

[Fro99er]

Froggaphant - your gut was right on 1/2 scum and you were clearly town but I think it would have helped had you been more active and engaged.

I had the most posts in the game...so yeah

[Fro99er]

I have no idea why NMdudnt just directly and clearly counter claim.