Mini 1742: game over

[Albert B. Rampage]

ASP and Wickan make yourselves useful.

[Frozen Angel]

himself * ^ this pronouns are killing me ^

[JohnnyFarrar]

@Frozen If you didn't want to lynch the people on that list you should have put them on your "won't lynch" list. He's looking for lynch possibilities, which is maybe a little scummy but also he's far from the only one trying to end this day

its the inverse of "won't lynch them today's list" not "I'm willing to lynch today list"

you get what I mean? he is really trying to show herself not a suitable vote

Maybe we're getting caught up on semantics here. I'm either unwilling to lynch someone or I'm willing. Binary. When I filled out the "Won't lynch" list I (at least in my head) was saying "Everyone else is fair game"

[Frozen Angel]

no see. there is another option. lots of people has null read on me.

by that inverse thing he tried to imply their all scum reads. and he even voted me for that.

[Frozen Angel]

Your willing to lynch someone. you have no idea about lynching someone or you have a clear town read and you won't lynch someone.

its not 2 options

[Frozen Angel]

not willing != won't (not equal sign)

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm willing to lynch anyone I don't have a townread on. Different strokes, I guess.

[Frozen Angel]

and you town read talah because ?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Talah's more of a "This wagon is garbage so if he flips town I'll learn nothing" abstention

[Frozen Angel]

and you think what he will learn about my town-flip ? I was literally inactive nearly whole day long.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean in my head you're more active than he is. Also we haven't built your wagon yet, so I wouldn't know what that looks like

[Frozen Angel]

Your head is wrong

I'm usually all over the game not just showing up and telling something and vanishes I had a very busy week + all the ongoing games ...

I really want to hear some real accusations on me instead of advertising people concious

[Frozen Angel]

Talah flips will give me a better view about Titus and wickon we can send Wickan to check ASP or us.

[ICEninja]

Alright so my interest in this game tanked the instant Wickan's wagon fell apart, so I guess I'll start with all the hider discussion.

FOR THE RECORD

this hider claim is bullshit

and you guys are just delaying scum being lynched. But since you all want to play it safe, fine, I'll pretend.

Titus's reasons given for having a 3 man lynch pool are essentially fine, but there are a couple issues with it. There are issues with picking a specific target, and there are issues with letting him go blind. Any strategy is going to have it's ups and downs I suppose. Honestly I don't have a problem with the hider pool being [me, ABR, ASP/talah], it seems as good as any, I just don't like the fact that probscum picked the pool and that everyone just blindly agreed with it.

Taly's 872 made me raise my eyebrow. Taly, despite often being unsure of votes, has never seemed THIS timid about things. This in particular:

I rarely get NKed; but when I do - it's extremely early in game.

I get wagoned a lot, especially when I'm town. But a lot of my wagons are scum-led throughout my games...

bugs me a lot. It reads like scum trying to get sympathy to not get wagoned, and have a reason to be still alive at lylo. That combined with the back-and-forward on RC looks scummy as hell.

I missed this first time around when asked if he crumbed:

I did not. However, I did laugh hysterically when I read FA's 421

Hrm. That would be AWFULLY lucky for scum to have caught and makes me worry if I've been wrong about Wickan all along. I probably would have chuckled if someone said something like that about my role too.

Fuck. Time to re-evaluate things.

And...yeah this game is a mess.

I don't like this from RC:

I literally could not care less what the hider does. They can stay home for all I care.

I don't need investigative roles to catch scum.

The only way that he's useful to me is if he checks Titus, which isn't about the investigation it's about proving it to you lot.

I don't find it scummy but I do find it anti-town.

Taly seems to mirror my frustration with this game in 905. This comment isn't scum hunting, just reminding you guys that this game fucking sucks and people need to start working together more.

Titus definitely seems to be thinking this whole hider thing through. Either he's town and just being smart about things, or he's scum and has perfectly engineered the hider even to work in scum's favor.

Welp talah self voted, I guess that's where that wagon came from. I can see why it did too, holy shit where did that self vote even come from. The slightest bit of pressure from RC results in a self-vote??

What do you think of this?

It makes me feel like I've been giving talah too much of a free pass based on early game stuff. It's been a long time since someone went from learning town to probscum THIS fast. Taly's 1065 checks out too. I don't normally use meta so much, but "Don't self-vote as town ever, no matter how tempting it might be." said as town is pretty definitive.

And of course Titus thinks talah is town. Essentially anything I think, Titus thinks the

exact opposite

.

Can you tell me what was scummy about the self-vote apart from "WAY TOO" please. Usually self-votes are scummy because they're inauthentic or because they have some kind of fake appeal to emotion.

Yours was both. You had ONE vote of pressure and you suddenly went all self vote.

I finally agree with Titus on something, talah flipping scum almost certainly makes Taly town.

So I decided I'd give him some help with wagonning me. Maybe he'd push a case, maybe I'd become a juicy target. Who knows. But I've done this before as town in at least a couple of games. So I guess my blanket statement about not self-voting is - well circumstantial (as it related to Netherspite in that game) and a bit pie-in-the-sky. Sometimes I just find it quite difficult to keep everything super-optimal and serious especially when games drag out on Day 1 like this. So I take a sidetrack or two.

This is one of the most absurd defenses I've ever seen.

Also the self-vote was the second vote on the wagon. I literally created the wagon.
Do you think that doesn't line up with me having some purpose for it?

The

only

possible point I can see to doing this is to distract town and throw discussion off even more. Maybe it's because ASP is a scum buddy and you wanted to distract people from the leading wagon?

@RC could you further explain your 1092?

ASP I'm going to suggest actually might be town based on the fact there is zero resistance to his lynch - either that or he's simply being bussed at this point because his lynch seemed inevitable. I can vote here but have changed my mind on preference.

This could be relevant information after we have a talah flip.

Also let's consider these three points in sequence:

Frozen's vote on my wagon was the most opportunistic

Taly's push was pretty bad too

ICE I mistrust because of his *lack* of suspicion on me, actually

The pushes on me are bad, but ICE is mistrusted because he didn't push on me.

Ho boy.

Talah is also using a copy-paste where some of the information present was pre-talah wagon, making himself look better than he would if it started after.

So I'm not getting into a wall-war with you

This is at the beginning of a wall-war post. I don't really need to add anything to it.

Titus, your 1124 doesn't track because the reason my name is all over that thing is because I never contributed to it. What you're looking at is a "this is what wasn't contributed in that list", of which I contributed nothing.

Ice has been almost every wagon only bussing ASP when this pattern became apparent.

This is flat out wrong. I've basically voted Wickan 80% of the day, you 15% of the day, and ASP 5% of the day. Where the fuck are you getting this info? Oh that's right, you're going to make sure reality is twisted to suit your agenda, because that's what scum does.

what do you think about the inverse list thing talah brought up. no one else has any problems with that? as he wanted to say its people conscious

It's scummy as hell.

Abandon your solo wagons and vote talah.

I'm done.

For the record my vote has been on ASP not Titus, as the mod seems to think.

Sorry Johnny, not sheeping you on this.

Unvote, Vote talah

. L-1.

[ICEninja]

So does anyone

actually

need me to do that copy paste thing fill in my own info? It seems moot at this point.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Nah you're good. You flipping on Wick makes me smile though

[Titus]

Just vote Talah guys. The game is stalling for no other reason than you not voting Talah.

The game is stalling because we refuse to lynch town. Use that brain behind your ears. I will no lynch before I vote anyone in my won't lynch pool.

[Titus]

Come grab me when we decide to lynch scum.

Peace out.

[Frozen Angel]

Just vote Talah guys. The game is stalling for no other reason than you not voting Talah.

The game is stalling because we refuse to lynch town. Use that brain behind your ears. I will no lynch before I vote anyone in my won't lynch pool.

why your so sure about wickan? even after that Hider claim ... ?!

[Titus]

The hider claim is more reason to trust not less.

[Frozen Angel]

Its a normal game , Hider claim is a reason to trust less. the only reason I'm not agreed with that lynch is that we can confirm him with sending him to a chosen target.

[Frozen Angel]

And if i forgot to mention choosing a pool for him won't work. we need to confirm him.

[Titus]

Wrong. It's a terrible fakeclaim. It can be leashed as we have done. If anyone else is not normal Wickan gets turbo lynched. He doesn't live to lylo.

[Frozen Angel]

its not guaranteed to have a no-normal role in setup.

[Titus]

No. That's why the pool and why Wickan doesn't live until lylo.

Literally my townreads are town. If y'all are gunna vote town I am not helping.

Call me when there's a scum wagon at l minus 1 I am not on.