Newbie 1667: Bushfire! (Game Over)

[Cheery Dog]

Votecount 2.04

AzoriusSenate (2) Radical Rat; This is my username;
vettrock (2) goodmorning; Performer;
This is my username (1) shrike;
Performer (1) ai_shuuu;
Radical Rat (1) AzoriusSenate;
shrike (0)
ai_shuuu (0)
goodmorning (0)

Not voting: vettrock;

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Day 2 Deadline (expired on 2015-12-20 18:42:02)

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[Radical Rat]

I said the possibility of this being Town vs. Town concerned me. Not that I read you as Town. I would have invited you if that were the case.

But every word out of your mouth gets scummier by the second.

[Radical Rat]

Unvoted****

Sorry about that.

[This is my username]

Post 367 by Azorius:

But seriously, this post is absolutely terrible. Look, I know that you’re new and all but to be frank, this reaction is completely scummy on all levels. The meaning of ‘tunneling’ was already mentioned earlier so you should know that it means I think you’re spending way too much time casing one player instead of reading every player. You’re the one sitting around pretending to scumhunt.

Post 374 by Azorius is making me feel like a hypocrite but to be honest he’s the only scummy player I can actually have a conversation with right now since he’s active. Anyway, this post is bad and reaching because-- news flash--

reads change

.

Anyway, I would support a Azorius lynch and if he's Mafia probably a vettrock lynch since RR would pretty much be clear if he flips scum. Anyway, more people post so that I can read you please~

[ai_shuuu]

^what do you think about this...

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Yes, you have... but i want more...
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thats what im asking you... >.<
Why pressuring rad in particular? Theres vet and mort but you specifically mentioning rad which you read as town on the same post.
Whats wrong?
1. Because It's contradicting with your earlier statement that you read rad's vote are towniish "Because Rad's post and first vote on Phan (other than Phan's
self vote) alone, sounds Townie"...
2. Setting up next lynch candidat are a good way for scum to lead town from one misslynch to another misslynch...
Scum know that phan lynch would flip town and they use it to lead town to another false target...
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Oh btw i'm sorry that i'm wrong for missinterpreting the word 'unlikely' by nullifying the possibility...
Still, your statement leaning to the possibility that rad and phan are not in the same alignment so my case for you still stand...

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And then #274
You unvoting rad after you vote him in #273
I see this as (backtracking? Backpedalling? Don't know the right word for this) bcs you see my post in #263. That vote, if you insist on it will sounds like you confirming my suspicion on you...

That or you somehow find it hard to lynch to RR

So how do you change your read to RR?

i'm back >.<

[Radical Rat]

@ai_shuuu

I'm sorry, I know you said you're still getting used to English, but could you try to rephrase your above post? Maybe try smaller sentences of it helps?

I'm terribly sorry, it's just that I can't quite understand all of what You're saying there.

[Cheery Dog]

Prodding vettrock³

[goodmorning]

gm I'd like your input on the following 3, as you said this about them before:
your townread for Mort was based on tone of his posts
you townread Radical
you townread Ai because he was coming across as newb town

Anything changed on your reads of them, and why?

Not a whole lot. I'm a little paranoid of TIMU because his catchup largely seems to mimic the vague consensuses we have in the game so far. I'm a little paranoid of Rat because I've always been a little paranoid of Rat. I'm a little paranoid of ai because he hasn't escalated play in the way I would expect.

But I think I still townread all those slots.

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I should maybe go back and see if there's anyone casting suspicion on approximately everyone D1.

[Performer]

Anyway, I would support a Azorius lynch and if he's Mafia probably a vettrock lynch since RR would pretty much be clear if he flips scum.

@ai well, TiMU's post above demands elaboration.

Ai's other things in his following post, in 379 , spoke of things I already addressed so I don't see his purpose of that post in calling me out. His continued tunnel on me for who-knows-what, is getting stranger every day.
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I really don't see why folks scumread Radical. His 269 and 270 read Townie to me, and with the rest of his ISO - he's not scummy to me.
As for Azor, his interactions on pg 15 in d2, moved me to put him in my townread pile – those came across as genuinely frustrated town to me.

[Radical Rat]

I'm concerned about shrike.

So far toDay, he's only posted after a prod, and after being directly mentioned as lurking.

Performer did something similar, but just for one real-time day. Vettrock has also been inactive, but based on how long it took him to respond, it seems more like he is just busy.

Meanwhile, Shrike's explanation is "I can't find things to respond to." Personally, I think we have plenty to discuss between Azor and myself, TIMU's arrival, and the looming cloud of mystery that is Performer.

Azorious remains my ultimate scumread, but frankly we've reached a point where us yelling at each other does nothing but clog the thread.

Therefore....

VOTE: shrike

[Performer]

and the looming cloud of mystery that is Performer.

What do you mean by this...?
Please see this for more information on better reading me:
Performer

[Radical Rat]

I mean I can't get a solid read on you. Your motivations are difficult to determine, and several people have brought up things you say as a bit strange. Earlier, I believe I had you as a scumread below Azorious.

Now I have a hesitant nulltown on you.

[Performer]

I mean I can't get a solid read on you. Your motivations are difficult to determine, and several people have brought up things you say as a bit strange. Earlier, I believe I had you as a scumread below Azorious.

Now I have a hesitant nulltown on you.

I was scumreading you on d1 too . : /
But reads change.

[Radical Rat]

Forgive me for taking that wiki link with a grain of salt. I have a bit of apprehension about taking something written by you yourself as a method of reading you. Though it is the reason for my cautious town read right now, so I'm not just completely ignoring it.

[AzoriusSenate]

Anyway, I would support a Azorius lynch and if he's Mafia probably a vettrock lynch since RR would pretty much be clear if he flips scum.

@ai well, TiMU's post above demands elaboration.

Ai's other things in his following post, in 379 , spoke of things I already addressed so I don't see his purpose of that post in calling me out. His continued tunnel on me for who-knows-what, is getting stranger every day.
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I really don't see why folks scumread Radical. His 269 and 270 read Townie to me, and with the rest of his ISO - he's not scummy to me.
As for Azor, his interactions on pg 15 in d2, moved me to put him in my townread pile – those came across as genuinely frustrated town to me.

You townread RR for talking about hypothetical game mechanics? Could you elaborate on that?

[ai_shuuu]

RR #380
ugh... All of it? >.<
Actually you have to ISO me to see this matter clearly
- To make it simpler, he would (blame? Pressure?) RR if phantom flip town. i found that contradicting with his early statement that RR's vote itself looks towny... #99
- #273 an omgus vote on RR
- #274 unvote
I see this as backtracking after he see my post accusing him in #263
Otherwise i didn't see how he change his read on RR so fast.
and another thing in this post that i 'd like to point out,
"I think I explained this in another post, but I stated that I would suspect Rad because I've seen scum early vote someone. It's easy for them to jump on something and cause a wagon for that."

since when this behaviour become alignment indicative?

"How PC posted about Rad being a "VERY STRONG townread," led me to believe Rad & PC were unlikely to be same alignment."

how do you come to that conclusion?

@performer
no... If you see my post #263 and #264 you would see that i'm also questioning shrike and vet
And you catch my attention...

Oh btw i that's not how i read meta...
If i'm towny i'll do this, if i'm scum i'll do that. That info can be easily twisted with certain wifom ifykwim

[Radical Rat]

Thank you! That's much easier to read, sorry for the trouble.

[ai_shuuu]

azorius 288
Why "pretty post" is necessarily aligment indicative?
About vet, yes i see that too. Actually i want to see how far vet would go for PC lynch. But his lack of activity make it hard for me... Oh well...
A question for you, if you're scum what would you do on day 1? Adding more fuel on Phantom lynch or sit around and see things happen from somewhere save?

[ai_shuuu]

@rad rat
You can also elaborate in this matter, if you think i'm wrong i will happily change my read on performer

[Radical Rat]

Now that I can read it, this is a very good post.

I actually missed the bit where he said to go after me if PC flipped Town, but it was a reasonable statement to make at the time. It's only natural to suspect the one who starts a wagon on Town. It does bother me that he didn't follow through on that though...

Comments, Performer? What sparked your switch to a Town read?


I don't exactly think you're wrong. Simply... Unsure.

[Performer]

@Radical I was wondering about you on d2 - but like I stated in 383 , I started townreading you. Those posts make me think you're town. @Azor I began thinking he was coming from a town standpoint.

[Performer]

@everyone except the SEs & IC: I understand you guys are new to this site. But if you guys are finding it too challenging to tell who is the right person to vote, then look over the following points.

1. IC gm is near-confirmed town
2. I am an SE and am town
3a. vet is also an SE but he has been heavy lurking, and his posts don't scream town to me. So we can't trust him
b. He never replied to my questioning of him, either
c. He also never replied to gm
4. Everyone who has not been wanting to vote him despite the situation's facts, is only going to be more suspect by day's end. We only have 6 days left and I'd like for us to consolidate our votes ahead of time. I also have limited access this week
5. The remaining experienced (SE Performer and IC goodmorning) town players aren't perfect, but you guys need to believe in us. Have faith in us and vote vet.
6. One big question to ask yourselves, is this question when you have trouble voting or reading someone: are you going to be comfortable if said person is left in LyLo?

[shrike]

Who I'm most uncomfortable with being lynched for today's phase: gm, Azor, Radical.

Why are you comfortable with lynching gm? She's basically conf town.

[Radical Rat]

Who I'm most uncomfortable with being lynched for today's phase: gm, Azor, Radical.

Why are you comfortable with lynching gm? She's basically conf town.

Shrike, that says UNcomfortable

[shrike]

I AM voting on RR right now. Is there something wrong with putting pressure on people? IMO if we sit back and do NOTHING this game other than pat each other on the back for town reads we ARE GOING TO LOSE. So don't tell me that I'm suspicious when I am the most townie here besides GM.

I like the first part of this post, however calling youself "the most townie here besides GM" is pretty weird

I think I like shrike as town for now along with GM as town.

I feel like you could be saying you like me as town because I've played along with one of your jokes and I left the wagon on you. Could you actually justify why I appear town to you?

@everyone except the SEs & IC: I understand you guys are new to this site. But if you guys are finding it too challenging to tell who is the right person to vote, then look over the following points.

1. IC gm is near-confirmed town
2. I am an SE and am town
3a. vet is also an SE but he has been heavy lurking, and his posts don't scream town to me. So we can't trust him
b. He never replied to my questioning of him, either
c. He also never replied to gm
4. Everyone who has not been wanting to vote him despite the situation's facts, is only going to be more suspect by day's end. We only have 6 days left and I'd like for us to consolidate our votes ahead of time. I also have limited access this week
5. The remaining experienced (SE Performer and IC goodmorning) town players aren't perfect, but you guys need to believe in us. Have faith in us and vote vet.
6. One big question to ask yourselves, is this question when you have trouble voting or reading someone: are you going to be comfortable if said person is left in LyLo?

I really don't like this post. Point #2 is pretty weird as obviously everyone is going to claim they're town. Furthermore, you're trying to use your position as SE to influence our votes. Your points about vettrock aren't bad, however point #4 is really manipulative and you're threatening people to get them to vote with you. By point #6, do you mean left alive until a LyLo, or not voted in LyLo?

My vote on TIMU isn't doing much, so VOTE: Performer
My reads are:
Scummy - Performer, Azorius, vettrock
Neutral - RR, TIMU, ai_shuuu
Townie - GM