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Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:54 pm

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In post 1308, D3f3nd3r wrote:If L3 projections hold, the playoff spots go to:

1: TD37
2: Axxle
3: Mith
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Confirming this. Rematch for me and mith going into next week, hoping for a repeat performance!

TD is definitely the favorite though, 134 points with a kicker still in the game.
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Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:06 pm

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In post 1320, PokerFace wrote:you were 8 with 5-8 and 1145 ptf
khan was 9 with 5-8 and 1141 ptf

you are both winning your games

khan currently has highest score this week of 114.90. You currently have 88.50 this week with Lamar miller left. He needs to get you about 22. Lamar did get a 35 something earlier in season so he could save you


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Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:39 pm

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It's really a heck of a way to seal the last guaranteed L2 spot.
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Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:11 pm

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If only Eli was my QB in THIS league, where I actually have a chance and don't have ODB on the other guy's team.
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Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:17 pm

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Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:24 pm

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so this week my team decided to score 130 points.......
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Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:25 pm

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Wish my team would have decided to do that a little more often!
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Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:26 pm

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I thin kthis means I'm safe from relegation as both Wrath of Romo and Beavers Love Wood lost with low scores.
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Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:36 pm

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By the way my new position is "Fuck Divisions." This has absolutely no relation to the fact that I was knocked out of the playoffs due to division record.
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Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:37 pm

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The fact that I almost wasn't in due to divisions also makes me adverse to divisions.
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Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:47 pm

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Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:08 pm

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Congrats Agar. I had a hard time overcoming injuries this year. In the end, injuries to Forte, Sanders, Gronk, Edelman, and a slew of my backups were just too much. The injuries to the Chargers offense also killed Rivers' value.

I need to do a couple things differently next year.

1) Do not use the waiver wire unless it gives me an RB1 for 2+ weeks. It's just not worth it otherwise. I used waivers better this year, but that Forte injury cost me big. It's impossible to draft enough legit RBs without compromising other parts of my strategy, so I need to be able to effectively pick up players when needed.

2) Pay more attention to defense in the preseason. I thought I was drafting a weekly shutdown defense in Houston, but they sucked, and I HATE streaming defenses rathe than having a mostly-weekly option.
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Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:10 pm

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FF isn't going to be fair. While there is some skill involved its going to be mostly luck.

but if we got rid of divisions then the whole "but I scored more points than you, you have a better record but my team is better!" then the argument becomes "ok, lets axe PVP and go straight point scored" and I think that'll be boring.

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Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:44 pm

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Hey Rob, kudos to a hell of a competitive season this year. It was back and forth all season long, and there wasn't a dull moment. You could easily be in this spot instead of me and be just as deserving. Wouldn't have wanted anyone else to come down to the wire against. Looking forward to next year, I hope were in the same division so we get a few matches against each other.
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Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:58 pm

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In post 1336, Rob14 wrote:Congrats Agar. I had a hard time overcoming injuries this year. In the end, injuries to Forte, Sanders, Gronk, Edelman, and a slew of my backups were just too much. The injuries to the Chargers offense also killed Rivers' value.

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2) Pay more attention to defense in the preseason. I thought I was drafting a weekly shutdown defense in Houston, but they sucked, and I HATE streaming defenses rathe than having a mostly-weekly option.

You can do all the research you want into defenses preseason but the reason it's dumb to draft them early is they're not that predictable, particularly from year to year.
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Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:00 pm

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I don't draft early. I drafted like 3-4 rounds from last, when the players are not people I would want to start anyway. There will be better options on waivers if I'm in desperate need.
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Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:04 pm

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In post 1330, zoraster wrote:so this week my team decided to score 130 points.......


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Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:29 pm

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In other news, I lost in my big $$$ league this week, so my best hope is to recoup $100 of my $150 entry if Cam keeps outscoring Brady and he wins MVP or OPOY (hurrah superlative payouts!).

And because of this, I'm drunk.
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Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:07 pm

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In post 1337, Nero Cain wrote:FF isn't going to be fair. While there is some skill involved its going to be mostly luck.

but if we got rid of divisions then the whole "but I scored more points than you, you have a better record but my team is better!" then the argument becomes "ok, lets axe PVP and go straight point scored" and I think that'll be boring.


Getting rid of divisions isn't about getting rid of variance, it's about not adding more variance for the sole sake of adding variance.
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Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:15 pm

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I'm fine with divisions, just I don't want the winner of a division to be automatically in. Yes they should be in, but only if they are actually one of the best four teams. I understand fantasy football requires a good bit of luck, but when a team is in the playoffs, and can feasibly get promoted, and there are teams with more points and better records, who are not in the playoffs, well that just doesn't make sense.
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Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:37 pm

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perhaps we should change the promotion/relegation model?

but if we did that then I could see it getting subjective i.e; "I had a better team b/c..."
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Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:26 pm

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This is all subjective. People can't even agree on the best way to measure how good teams are - we've seen people argue for both total points and EPE pretty recently. What about if your team had a high points total because it was great for the first 7 weeks and then mediocre for 7 but you sneaked into the playoffs ahead of a team that started badly to get way behind in total points then put up the highest score in the league for the last four? The other team is probably going to be much better in the playoffs but any of our regular suggestions would have your team in the playoffs.

I said this last year but I'll say it again - if you want the head to head matchups to mean something, you have to accept the random fluctuations and luck that comes with that.
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Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:26 pm

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I can agree with that. I just think divisions adds to the luck significantly. I could possibly get behind the idea of assigning divisions AFTER the draft based on Yahoo draft grade, if that's possible. Is that technically possible and something people would be interested in? All it would do is at least attempt to create balanced divisions.
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Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:38 pm

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Because of divisions peg has less points than wraith, but peg makes playoffs since someone in l2d1 must make playoffs (both peg and wraith are 9-5). everyone but PEG in l2d1 is getting relegated. Zach needed 2.06 more points from lamar. Baring any stat corrections, l2d1 has 3 players going to relegation and l2d3 has 1. l2d2 has none being relegated
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Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:23 am

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Oh yeah, I'd never claim that divisions don't add an extra element of luck to the process. I just think that people spend so much time talking about whether teams did or didn't deserve their record but they gloss over the fact that the fundamental H2H structure of most fantasy football leagues is a fairly flawed way to determine which team is 'best', however you want to define it. If you actually want to address what we might define as unfair records, we should just stop using single H2H matchups.

As for doing divisions differently, I'd rather do something like what we did in baseball this year and have the division winners draft their division the next year than use draft grades. That at least offers the chance for some balance and rivalry rather than being completely random.
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